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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 14, 2024 11:04:49 GMT
Although the Main Stream Media is telling us that Israel's air defence shot down nearly all the missiles (most of which are low tech drones which probably cost countless millions to intercept), anyone who can read between the lines will notice that the Kheibar Missiles hit and damaged a heavily defended airbase that is believed by some to store Israel's F35s- suggesting that Iran's latest missiles can penetrate Israel's invincible air defence system. I would not be at all suprised if the airbase was not the main target of Iran*, and is a clear warning to anyone underestimating the consequences of a potential war with Israel and Iran.
* - The Iranians have said the airbase was targeted using their latest missile technology because it is where the attack on the Consulate in Syria was launched from.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 14, 2024 11:37:07 GMT
Although the Main Stream Media is telling us that Israel's air defence shot down nearly all the missiles (most of which are low tech drones which probably cost countless millions to intercept), anyone who can read between the lines will notice that the Kheibar Missiles hit and damaged a heavily defended airbase that is believed by some to store Israel's F35s- suggesting that Iran's latest missiles can penetrate Israel's invincible air defence system. I would not be at all suprised if the airbase was not the main target of Iran*, and is a clear warning to anyone underestimating the consequences of a potential war with Israel and Iran. * - The Iranians have said the airbase was targeted using their latest missile technology because it is where the attack on the Consulate in Syria was launched from. ? Hardly necessary... They've announced publicly that there's "minor infrastructure damage" to the F35 base at Nevatim from ballistic missiles. www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-99-of-the-300-or-so-projectiles-fired-by-iran-at-israel-overnight-were-intercepted/170 drones, not one reached Israeli airspace. 30 cruise missiles, not one reached Israeli airspace. 120 ballistic missiles, "some" got through. Like I said, allow a couple through for some nice rabble-rousing headlines aimed squarely at the gullible.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 14, 2024 11:47:57 GMT
Although the Main Stream Media is telling us that Israel's air defence shot down nearly all the missiles (most of which are low tech drones which probably cost countless millions to intercept), anyone who can read between the lines will notice that the Kheibar Missiles hit and damaged a heavily defended airbase that is believed by some to store Israel's F35s- suggesting that Iran's latest missiles can penetrate Israel's invincible air defence system. I would not be at all suprised if the airbase was not the main target of Iran*, and is a clear warning to anyone underestimating the consequences of a potential war with Israel and Iran. * - The Iranians have said the airbase was targeted using their latest missile technology because it is where the attack on the Consulate in Syria was launched from. 7 or 15 out of 131 or 141 , though 25 or 30 were shot down before they entered Israeli air space ... minor damage/base closed Ramon or Nevatim base - pick your propaganda source. Admitted facts a few got through, some damage at Nevatim Invincible - hardly, even Hamas & Hezza stuff gets through but its pretty effective ... Arrow took out most along with fighters/Defence Array GPS jammers then ID & DS mopping up most of the rest
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Post by michaelc on Apr 14, 2024 12:56:41 GMT
Although the Main Stream Media is telling us that Israel's air defence shot down nearly all the missiles (most of which are low tech drones which probably cost countless millions to intercept), anyone who can read between the lines will notice that the Kheibar Missiles hit and damaged a heavily defended airbase that is believed by some to store Israel's F35s- suggesting that Iran's latest missiles can penetrate Israel's invincible air defence system. I would not be at all suprised if the airbase was not the main target of Iran*, and is a clear warning to anyone underestimating the consequences of a potential war with Israel and Iran. * - The Iranians have said the airbase was targeted using their latest missile technology because it is where the attack on the Consulate in Syria was launched from. ? Hardly necessary... They've announced publicly that there's "minor infrastructure damage" to the F35 base at Nevatim from ballistic missiles. www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-99-of-the-300-or-so-projectiles-fired-by-iran-at-israel-overnight-were-intercepted/170 drones, not one reached Israeli airspace. 30 cruise missiles, not one reached Israeli airspace. 120 ballistic missiles, "some" got through. Like I said, allow a couple through for some nice rabble-rousing headlines aimed squarely at the gullible. There's one teeny weeny little flaw in your analysis. Look at who the protagonists are and who your source is. And you're saying others are gullible ?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 14, 2024 12:59:36 GMT
Common sense tells me this air base will be one of the most heavily defended targets in Israel, how much damage was actually done we do not know. These missiles seem to have very high levels of accuracy, so it does not seem unreasonable to assume they hit whatever the Iranians wanted to hit. Maybe the fact these missiles hit the air base that launched the attack on the Iranians in Syria is just coincidence - seems a bit far fetched to me but as we have already established you live in a different universe. *
* - the days the Western powers have a massive technological advantage over the rest of the world is over and they need to take this into account in their dealings with other countries.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 14, 2024 13:11:06 GMT
There's one teeny weeny little flaw in your analysis. Look at who the protagonists are and who your source is. And you're saying others are gullible ? ? The IDF's official spokesmuppet. All those other countries involved seem to be sitting back, too. Who else do you think is going to be giving information out? But one thing's for sure, if there was major damage, they'd be shouting about it and using it as justification for the next ramp-up. It'd also be widely reported independently. Yet... And, yes, the only other protagonist are just as likely to be giving out propaganda. If your objection is the Times of Israel, then here's the same information reported by the Beeb. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68811241Oh, and the one injury? A Bedouin girl in the desert, hit by falling debris from a missile that'd been destroyed in mid air.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 14, 2024 16:10:00 GMT
There's one teeny weeny little flaw in your analysis. Look at who the protagonists are and who your source is. And you're saying others are gullible ? ? The IDF's official spokesmuppet. All those other countries involved seem to be sitting back, too. Who else do you think is going to be giving information out? But one thing's for sure, if there was major damage, they'd be shouting about it and using it as justification for the next ramp-up. It'd also be widely reported independently. Yet... And, yes, the only other protagonist are just as likely to be giving out propaganda. If your objection is the Times of Israel, then here's the same information reported by the Beeb. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68811241Oh, and the one injury? A Bedouin girl in the desert, hit by falling debris from a missile that'd been destroyed in mid air. The Iranians have given their version - its not a million miles from the Israelis - but you've chosen to ignore that. Not even a "The Israelis say..." Re the girl, why did you emphasise she is Bedouin as if that makes it any better ?
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Post by adrianc on Apr 14, 2024 16:16:07 GMT
Re the girl, why did you emphasise she is Bedouin as if that makes it any better ? I didn't "emphasise" it. I stated it as a relevant detail. The debris that injured her landed in the arse end of nowhere, not near any conurbation. Somebody was injured who was in the arse end of nowhere. If anything, "Bedouin" is more relevant than "girl" in explaining that.
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Post by keitha on Apr 14, 2024 17:08:05 GMT
Re the girl, why did you emphasise she is Bedouin as if that makes it any better ? I didn't "emphasise" it. I stated it as a relevant detail. The debris that injured her landed in the arse end of nowhere, not near any conurbation. Somebody was injured who was in the arse end of nowhere. If anything, "Bedouin" is more relevant than "girl" in explaining that. I feel the term Bedouin was important possibly more so than the sex of he child involved, I'm waiting for Hamas to claim that Israel deliberately shot down missiles over Gaza so that it was innocent Gazans injured.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 14, 2024 17:41:15 GMT
According to the Colonel the missiles that struck the Israeli air base were unstoppable hypersonic missiles of the type the Russians have been using to destroy Patriot systems in Ukraine, and suggests that the Iranian missile program is a lot more developed than people thought. They were not Kheibar Missiles as some media outlets have been reporting. He suggests they have had help in developing this from China or Russia. iranpress.com/iran-s-hypersonic-missiles-on-the-way-to-israel |
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 14, 2024 18:06:09 GMT
must be true then
Lets face it, it would be utterly staggering if they have not been receiving mil tech help from Russia. I doubt they were giving that lovely Mr Putin Shahed drones out of charity.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 14, 2024 18:17:15 GMT
Well he is normally right and has inside information. I googled it and the Iranian government have released a number of press releases about sending hypersonic missiles to Israel as a warning.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 14, 2024 18:29:21 GMT
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Post by angrysaveruk on Apr 14, 2024 18:35:14 GMT
The reason the US do not want to get involved might be to do with these new hypersonic missiles Iran has developed been given. They can probably sink aircraft carriers as well as hit heavily defended air bases. The Colonel also suggested that these missiles are probably using Chinese or Russian satellites for targeting since they seem to leave the atmosphere before re-entering at hypersonic speeds.
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Post by captainconfident on Apr 14, 2024 19:12:35 GMT
The reason the US do not want to get involved might be to do with these new hypersonic missiles Iran has developed been given. They can probably sink aircraft carriers as well as hit heavily defended air bases. The Colonel also suggested that these missiles are probably using Chinese or Russian satellites for targeting since they seem to leave the atmosphere before re-entering at hypersonic speeds. The colonel may well have access to mystical sources of information unknown to normal people but he clearly didn't Google "hypersonic missiles atmosphere" before opining on them leaving the atmosphere and using satellite targeting. I did though. www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-physics-and-hype-of-hypersonic-weapons/
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