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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 18, 2024 19:45:20 GMT
Shouldn't you be praising the moslem woman for integrating into society and getting pissed and then aggressive with the cops like the right wing thugs you obsess about? Speaking of right wing thugs, I see that friends of one of the Bristol thugs who was recently imprisioned have started a crowd funding campaign to help his wife pay the mortgage. The brother of Andrew Tate is one of the main contributors.
oh that's so sweet. Perhaps Tommy Robinson could make a contribution from the donations he's received which aren't really 'donations' and on which tax is actually due.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 19, 2024 9:58:06 GMT
Lucky she's not in Russia
PS: they weren't nasty statements. They were incitement to others to commit murder.
Whether fully or partly true there probably needs to be some kind of royal commission into 2 tier justice. That would be the only way to passify those who see themselves hard done by positive discrimination Meanwhile we have Chris Packham suggesting Barclays customers should set light to their heads in a bucket of petrol, an incitement for which he'll obviously get a free pass. I'm waiting to see how much jail time awaits the Labour councillor who recently advocated cutting the throats of people he was upset with. He must surely expect the same 15 months inside that the 'destroy the mosque and the adults inside' lady got?
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 19, 2024 10:23:31 GMT
Meanwhile we have Chris Packham suggesting Barclays customers should set light to their heads in a bucket of petrol, an incitement for which he'll obviously get a free pass. I'm waiting to see how much jail time awaits the Labour councillor who recently advocated cutting the throats of people he was upset with. He must surely expect the same 15 months inside that the 'destroy the mosque and the adults inside' lady got?
Well hopefully - and I expect he will - get a sentence that is fitting. Which based on other sentences in this period should include jail time. As I've said previously, I personally think that the cirumcstances of the 53 yr old woman's comments make her sentece a touch on the excessive side. I do wonder whether it will be appealed. We do need to bear in mind that there are A LOT of charges being tried at the moment, in front of a lot of different people, so some discrepencies are inevitably going to arise. This kind of mass unrest with significant racist aggravating circumstances (in many cases) does happen too often so precedent is also difficult.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 19, 2024 10:34:26 GMT
Lucky she's not in Russia
PS: they weren't nasty statements. They were incitement to others to commit murder.
Whether fully or partly true there probably needs to be some kind of royal commission into 2 tier justice. That would be the only way to passify those who see themselves hard done by positive discrimination Really? The referenced case is a single case, of one person. A case where sentence was passed over a year ago. A point which the tweet singularly fails to mention. I wonder why. Instead it and the subsequent comments are positioning it as if it is contemporaneous to current events and cases. And then presenting it as prime fascia evidence of "two tier" policing (by "two tier Keir" - who of course was on the opposition benches at the time). The sentence in that case looks wrong given the offence. But hell, I've not read beyond the outline. And the context ain't widespread violent public disorder. I'm sure there are lots of HISTORIC cases one can back and look at which appear to be anomalous compared to what is going through the courts at the moment. Have those been pulled out? No, 'cos it fits a narrative to pull out the case of Muslim woman, and not that of a white male. "Those people" are not genuinely interested in being "pacified" about two tier policing/sentencing. It's a message that they want to push out in order to stir up.
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Post by registerme on Aug 19, 2024 11:25:55 GMT
I am... uneasy... with commentary that appears to deligitimise / undermine / question the validity of the justice system, based on flimsy / no evidence, in a period where that system is having to respond at speed to extreme events.
Wouldn't it be better to wait for the dust to settle and then comment?
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Post by adrianc on Aug 19, 2024 15:44:46 GMT
Shouldn't you be praising the moslem woman for integrating into society and getting pissed and then aggressive with the cops like the right wing thugs you obsess about? The problem is you can't lock them all up and you can't lock people up for unexpressed thoughts. Are we talking about the people who caused damage and disruption through hate, or about the people they hate because of their religion and gender?
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Post by adrianc on Aug 19, 2024 15:48:06 GMT
Whether fully or partly true there probably needs to be some kind of royal commission into 2 tier justice. Define "two-tier justice", if you would be so kind. Bear in mind that the current sentencing guidelines for violent disorder are unchanged from 2020, and - as they all are - are defined by the politically independent Sentencing Council. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/violent-disorder-2/Remember, there hasn't been a single trial yet of a rioter. All the ones sentenced to date pleaded guilty.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 19, 2024 15:55:03 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Aug 19, 2024 15:59:44 GMT
Too many quotes there for me to reply to I'm afraid.
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Post by keitha on Aug 19, 2024 16:26:34 GMT
Whether fully or partly true there probably needs to be some kind of royal commission into 2 tier justice. Define "two-tier justice", if you would be so kind. Bear in mind that the current sentencing guidelines for violent disorder are unchanged from 2020, and - as they all are - are defined by the politically independent Sentencing Council. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/violent-disorder-2/Remember, there hasn't been a single trial yet of a rioter. All the ones sentenced to date pleaded guilty. I'd start with different sentences depending where in the country you are, In the shire Counties you are likely to go down for even minor drug dealing in London you get a slap on the wrist. My BIL was caught ( IMHO entrapped but thats another story ) He has on remand for several Weeks before being bailed, he moved to London to get away from the crowd he was in one. One of his bail conditions was that he had to report to the local Police station at least once a week, so having moved to London he duly reported in and was told that he didn't need to bother going back, and what he'd done wouldn't even merit a caution there. He came back up for his trial and got 2 years I'd say that was 2 tier. Last year my car was hit and forced off the road by a scaffolding wagon, I contacted the police and gave then the registration plates etc. They rang me back the next day and said "because you weren't hurt and no major damage to your car we won't be taking it any further" the officer then said to go and speak to the driver they would have to go mob handed and in riot vans with the screens down - again that's 2 tier Celebrities get minor punishments for things you or I would get a severe punishment for.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 19, 2024 16:27:49 GMT
Whether fully or partly true there probably needs to be some kind of royal commission into 2 tier justice. Define "two-tier justice", if you would be so kind. Bear in mind that the current sentencing guidelines for violent disorder are unchanged from 2020, and - as they all are - are defined by the politically independent Sentencing Council. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/violent-disorder-2/Remember, there hasn't been a single trial yet of a rioter. All the ones sentenced to date pleaded guilty. Let's hope they're more independent than the supposedly politically independent Civil Service... <cough> Sue Gray <cough>. As for why the two-tier Keir moniker is sticking, many see it as iniquitous that one group can meet up regularly and still continue to chant "river to sea" slogans inciting nothing less than outright genocide with impunity, given a free pass by the police to wave their banners supporting a proscribed organisation in the process, while a foolish keyboard warrior who loses her rag in a moment of madness winds up in court and gets a 15 month sentence. They view this as unbalanced.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 19, 2024 16:35:17 GMT
Define "two-tier justice", if you would be so kind. Bear in mind that the current sentencing guidelines for violent disorder are unchanged from 2020, and - as they all are - are defined by the politically independent Sentencing Council. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/violent-disorder-2/Remember, there hasn't been a single trial yet of a rioter. All the ones sentenced to date pleaded guilty. I'd start with different sentences depending where in the country you are, In the shire Counties you are likely to go down for even minor drug dealing in London you get a slap on the wrist. My BIL was caught ( IMHO entrapped but thats another story ) He has on remand for several Weeks before being bailed, he moved to London to get away from the crowd he was in one. One of his bail conditions was that he had to report to the local Police station at least once a week, so having moved to London he duly reported in and was told that he didn't need to bother going back, and what he'd done wouldn't even merit a caution there. He came back up for his trial and got 2 years I'd say that was 2 tier. Last year my car was hit and forced off the road by a scaffolding wagon, I contacted the police and gave then the registration plates etc. They rang me back the next day and said "because you weren't hurt and no major damage to your car we won't be taking it any further" the officer then said to go and speak to the driver they would have to go mob handed and in riot vans with the screens down - again that's 2 tier Celebrities get minor punishments for things you or I would get a severe punishment for. Drugs should be legal as should any act that doesn't harm anyone else such as waggling ones tongue or fingers over a keyboard.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 19, 2024 16:56:34 GMT
I'd start with different sentences depending where in the country you are, In the shire Counties you are likely to go down for even minor drug dealing in London you get a slap on the wrist. My BIL was caught ( IMHO entrapped but thats another story ) He has on remand for several Weeks before being bailed, he moved to London to get away from the crowd he was in one. One of his bail conditions was that he had to report to the local Police station at least once a week, so having moved to London he duly reported in and was told that he didn't need to bother going back, and what he'd done wouldn't even merit a caution there. He came back up for his trial and got 2 years I'd say that was 2 tier. Last year my car was hit and forced off the road by a scaffolding wagon, I contacted the police and gave then the registration plates etc. They rang me back the next day and said "because you weren't hurt and no major damage to your car we won't be taking it any further" the officer then said to go and speak to the driver they would have to go mob handed and in riot vans with the screens down - again that's 2 tier Celebrities get minor punishments for things you or I would get a severe punishment for. such as waggling ones tongue or fingers over a keyboard. that's a very ultra left wing liberal view michaelc
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 19, 2024 17:06:24 GMT
It's quite a stretch, though, to compare an otherwise innocent grandmother, who's never had a single brush with the law until a sudden moment of frustration and rage brought on by learning of three innocent children being stabbed to death, (following which she and her husband tried unsuccessfully to delete her foolish social media post), with a fanatic who's been calling for the deaths of thousands of innocent citizens over many, many years and who has no intention of ever letting up. Very different levels of nastiness. I suspect most agree they both deserve punishment. It's the level of punishment meted out to the former (15 months imprisonment for a first offence) which seems somewhat OTT to many.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 19, 2024 18:08:06 GMT
Define "two-tier justice", if you would be so kind. Bear in mind that the current sentencing guidelines for violent disorder are unchanged from 2020, and - as they all are - are defined by the politically independent Sentencing Council. www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/violent-disorder-2/Remember, there hasn't been a single trial yet of a rioter. All the ones sentenced to date pleaded guilty. I'd start with different sentences depending where in the country you are, In the shire Counties you are likely to go down for even minor drug dealing in London you get a slap on the wrist. My BIL was caught ( IMHO entrapped but thats another story ) He has on remand for several Weeks before being bailed, he moved to London to get away from the crowd he was in one. One of his bail conditions was that he had to report to the local Police station at least once a week, so having moved to London he duly reported in and was told that he didn't need to bother going back, and what he'd done wouldn't even merit a caution there. He came back up for his trial and got 2 years I'd say that was 2 tier. Last year my car was hit and forced off the road by a scaffolding wagon, I contacted the police and gave then the registration plates etc. They rang me back the next day and said "because you weren't hurt and no major damage to your car we won't be taking it any further" the officer then said to go and speak to the driver they would have to go mob handed and in riot vans with the screens down - again that's 2 tier Celebrities get minor punishments for things you or I would get a severe punishment for. Do you understand the difference between the police and the CPS and sentencing? Sentencing guidelines are national. Magistrates cannot diverge from them.
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