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Post by overthehill on Mar 14, 2024 12:36:45 GMT
It's hard to comprehend how a lying grifting racist can be voted president of the US. I'm not talking about the fact he got 3 million votes less than Hilary or the 4 years of republican gerrymandering by creating the best irregular polygon voting districts ever seen.
Then it makes sense after reading some the comments even in this moderate forum.
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Post by k6 on Mar 14, 2024 12:52:48 GMT
It's hard to comprehend how a lying grifting racist can be voted president of the US. I'm not talking about the fact he got 3 million votes less than Hilary or the 4 years of republican gerrymandering by creating the best irregular polygon voting districts ever seen.
Then it makes sense after reading some the comments even in this moderate forum.
Bear in mind that russian propaganda reaches very far and deep. Supporting trump is supporting putin and vice versa.
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Post by rscal on Mar 14, 2024 13:03:01 GMT
It's hard to comprehend how a lying grifting racist can be voted president of the US. I'm not talking about the fact he got 3 million votes less than Hilary or the 4 years of republican gerrymandering by creating the best irregular polygon voting districts ever seen.
Then it makes sense after reading some the comments even in this moderate forum.
Biden is a byword in Beltway corruption. Remember: "Sonnofabitch got fired" bragging back in 2018? As for gerrymandering, how does a candidate who can say "truaninnernashknowdepresurr" to an empty parking lot of paid aids go on to win with eighty one million votes unless those votes were stacked up in warehouses somewhere and how did six states all go offline at the same 3 am the morning AFTER the election only for the numbers come back differently? Of course Trump isn't a pleasing personality for some (yet others unaccountably find they 'like' him without them qualifying themselves for the funny ward) For cheating you can't go further than the Dems is my view. All elections since 2000 seem to have been thrown but to condemn Trump for his non-political conduct before running for office is just the pot calling the kettle black.
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Post by keitha on Mar 14, 2024 13:50:57 GMT
It's hard to comprehend how a lying grifting racist can be voted president of the US. I'm not talking about the fact he got 3 million votes less than Hilary or the 4 years of republican gerrymandering by creating the best irregular polygon voting districts ever seen.
Then it makes sense after reading some the comments even in this moderate forum.
Biden is a byword in Beltway corruption. Remember: "Sonnofabitch got fired" bragging back in 2018? As for gerrymandering, how does a candidate who can say "truaninnernashknowdepresurr" to an empty parking lot of paid aids go on to win with eighty one million votes unless those votes were stacked up in warehouses somewhere and how did six states all go offline at the same 3 am the morning AFTER the election only for the numbers come back differently? Of course Trump isn't a pleasing personality for some (yet others unaccountably find they 'like' him without them qualifying themselves for the funny ward) For cheating you can't go further than the Dems is my view. All elections since 2000 seem to have been thrown but to condemn Trump for his non-political conduct before running for office is just the pot calling the kettle black. Don't forget those counting stations where Trump was leading, then the Trump supporters were ejected and the windows were covered over and suddenly Biden won. and then you have Fani Willis, who said "elect me and I will get Trump" IMHO she's as bent as a 9 bob note you are not telling me appointing your bed mate who has no experience of such cases as lead attorney is legit.
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2024 14:24:29 GMT
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Post by overthehill on Mar 14, 2024 15:09:57 GMT
Trump has spent 4 years failing to dredge up or fabricate something...anything...nothing criminal against Biden including this 'reliable' informant.
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Post by rscal on Mar 14, 2024 15:46:53 GMT
By 2021, they were saying the quiet part out loud because that's known as 'whooping delight' and it's what sad little effwits like to do.The election WAS rigged and they called that gaslighting of the public 'Fortification': And was this just more gaslighting? www.nsfwyoutube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0But people, let's not get sidetracked let's talk about TRUMP. |
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2024 15:59:19 GMT
By 2021, they were saying the quiet part out loud because that's known as 'whooping delight' and it's what sad little effwits like to do.The election WAS rigged and they called that gaslighting of the public 'Fortification': Did you actually read the article you've just linked to? The "fortification" was to ensure that the actual result was respected, that the mechanisms of democracy worked and withstood an expected onslaught from somebody who'd already said he would respect no result that wasn't in his favour. Not a conspiracy to deny "the truth"... You've broken one paragraph out - but let's look at the one immediately before it... "This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. “Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”"You also appear to have missed the last sentence off the paragraph you chose. "And they believe the public needs to understand the system’s fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures."Let's also look a bit further down the article... "The votes had been counted. Trump had lost. But the battle wasn’t over.THE FIVE STEPS TO VICTORYIn Podhorzer’s presentations, winning the vote was only the first step to winning the election. After that came winning the count, winning the certification, winning the Electoral College and winning the transition–steps that are normally formalities but that he knew Trump would see as opportunities for disruption. Nowhere would that be more evident than in Michigan, where Trump’s pressure on local Republicans came perilously close to working–and where liberal and conservative pro-democracy forces joined to counter it."
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2024 17:16:27 GMT
"NSFW Youtube dot com"? Not Safe For Work? As in... porn? Click on it, you get a very short video of Biden purportedly saying "We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.". But it doesn't say who posted that video. Click through to Youtube (which that nsfw site explicitly tells you not to do...), and you get exact the same video without their wrapper. But who posted it? www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0Donald J Trump.On the 5th Nov 2020, two days after the presidential election. Here's a Reuters factcheck on the clip, a week earlier... www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27E2U7/It's a 13 second clip from a 27 minute interview - rarely a good sign as to context - and he's describing building an organisation to COUNTER voter fraud... So, yes, it is just "more gaslighting".
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 14, 2024 17:53:11 GMT
Without adrianc checking this stuff, this forum would have entered an alternative fact universe. Its good to have someone putting in the time to clarify what this linked stuff actually is. I suppose that on the forums where the OP found these links, there are no such critical thinkers who might have checked if the material had been edited to give a false impression. |
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Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2024 18:19:29 GMT
The circular bubbles of reinforcement are just staggering. Once somebody disappears down these plugholes, fact and reality seem to be seen as just a conspiracy.
It makes me despair, actually. Because once a group refuses to accept anything that doesn't conform to their palpably and demonstrably false preconceptions, where does it end?
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 14, 2024 18:46:42 GMT
Well it ends with level headed people using their better judgement to avoid such echo chambers.
Unfortunately the US form of democracy sorts American people into two camps who face off against each other with one side having to manufacture a false narrative where the facts are with the other side. But there us no need for us in Britain to get involved, beyond hoping they don't vote for a president backed by people intent on subverting democracy.
Certainly there are Americans using any means to prove that Biden is guilty of something, to counterbalance that their guy is guilty of something. But there is no point trying to prove this on a UK chat forum sparsely populated by former P2P investors.
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Post by james100 on Mar 14, 2024 19:25:51 GMT
The circular bubbles of reinforcement are just staggering. Once somebody disappears down these plugholes, fact and reality seem to be seen as just a conspiracy. It makes me despair, actually. Because once a group refuses to accept anything that doesn't conform to their palpably and demonstrably false preconceptions, where does it end? Two types of people: A) use facts to form opinions; B) use opinions to form 'facts'. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but they aren't entitled to their own facts. If A receives more accurate or relevant facts then revising their opinion is a natural consequence because, objectively, the foundation has changed. But if B used opinions to form their 'facts' there is no basis to expect actual facts would revise their opinion, so they are more vulnerable to being influenced by charismatic charlatans. Where does it end? In elections. Where all votes are counted as equal and where Group B are actively targeted with emotions like fear, hate and religious ideologies. Hearts over minds, loyalty without limits. Democracy is only as good as the facts behind it. I'm with Socrates on this. www.worldhistory.org/video/1223/why-socrates-hated-democracy/
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Post by james100 on Mar 14, 2024 19:29:52 GMT
So much loyalty.
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Post by keitha on Mar 14, 2024 19:51:10 GMT
The circular bubbles of reinforcement are just staggering. Once somebody disappears down these plugholes, fact and reality seem to be seen as just a conspiracy. It makes me despair, actually. Because once a group refuses to accept anything that doesn't conform to their palpably and demonstrably false preconceptions, where does it end? LOL I have a friend that claims only 1% of people vote Tory, but the sealed boxes are swapped before they get to the count as the Civil service etc want Tory rule, this completely ignore how anti Tory many top civil servants etc are. But then you look at the figures that come out within a few days X percent of Women over 50 vote Tory, Y% of over 60's and you wonder how they get these figures, ditto with a breakdown within a constituency. my guess it is an analysis of voting intentions and patterns, but the fact that they record a slip number against a name leads people to assume that a computer somewhere scans ballots then ties names ages etc to the papers. for a start how do they know how many men in my village vote, and how many are under 25, 25-40 and so on
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