michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Mar 14, 2024 20:08:51 GMT
Without adrianc checking this stuff, this forum would have entered an alternative fact universe. Its good to have someone putting in the time to clarify what this linked stuff actually is. I suppose that on the forums where the OP found these links, there are no such critical thinkers who might have checked if the material had been edited to give a false impression. Bah....teacher's pet. Give him an apple while you're at it ... 
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adrianc
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Mar 14, 2024 22:08:56 GMT
Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2024 22:08:56 GMT
But then you look at the figures that come out within a few days X percent of Women over 50 vote Tory, Y% of over 60's and you wonder how they get these figures, ditto with a breakdown within a constituency. my guess it is an analysis of voting intentions and patterns, but the fact that they record a slip number against a name leads people to assume that a computer somewhere scans ballots then ties names ages etc to the papers. for a start how do they know how many men in my village vote, and how many are under 25, 25-40 and so on Put the conspiracy back in its box. As ever, it's far, FAR simpler... It's simply extrapolation from exit polling. www.ipsos.com/en-uk/ipsos-2019-general-election-exit-poll-accurate-againThe reality about the traceability is FAR more boring. www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/vote_tracingRemember, it takes them hours just to sort those slips into piles according to the box. To go through them to pair up numbers...? Nah.
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adrianc
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Mar 14, 2024 22:35:32 GMT
Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2024 22:35:32 GMT
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Mar 14, 2024 22:40:57 GMT
Post by adrianc on Mar 14, 2024 22:40:57 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Mar 14, 2024 22:56:03 GMT
Hope you're enjoying that apple.
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Post by iRobot on Mar 15, 2024 9:27:15 GMT
The circular bubbles of reinforcement are just staggering. Once somebody disappears down these plugholes, fact and reality seem to be seen as just a conspiracy. It makes me despair, actually. Because once a group refuses to accept anything that doesn't conform to their palpably and demonstrably false preconceptions, where does it end? At the time of the last US election I read a Time article in which the author raised the concept of 'unlogic' and, as someone who pays very little interest in politics of any kind, I found interesting enough to bookmark. Here's a snippet:
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Greenwood2
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Mar 15, 2024 10:58:06 GMT
Post by Greenwood2 on Mar 15, 2024 10:58:06 GMT
But then you look at the figures that come out within a few days X percent of Women over 50 vote Tory, Y% of over 60's and you wonder how they get these figures, ditto with a breakdown within a constituency. my guess it is an analysis of voting intentions and patterns, but the fact that they record a slip number against a name leads people to assume that a computer somewhere scans ballots then ties names ages etc to the papers. for a start how do they know how many men in my village vote, and how many are under 25, 25-40 and so on Put the conspiracy back in its box. As ever, it's far, FAR simpler... It's simply extrapolation from exit polling.www.ipsos.com/en-uk/ipsos-2019-general-election-exit-poll-accurate-againThe reality about the traceability is FAR more boring. www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/vote_tracingRemember, it takes them hours just to sort those slips into piles according to the box. To go through them to pair up numbers...? Nah. Which is a selective process itself, I have no intention of telling anyone how I voted, and ignore the hangers about outside the polling stations. Not sure who does talk to them?
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Mar 15, 2024 11:49:21 GMT
Post by overthehill on Mar 15, 2024 11:49:21 GMT
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Mar 15, 2024 11:55:22 GMT
Post by captainconfident on Mar 15, 2024 11:55:22 GMT
The circular bubbles of reinforcement are just staggering. Once somebody disappears down these plugholes, fact and reality seem to be seen as just a conspiracy. It makes me despair, actually. Because once a group refuses to accept anything that doesn't conform to their palpably and demonstrably false preconceptions, where does it end? At the time of the last US election I read a Time article in which the author raised the concept of 'unlogic' and, as someone who pays very little interest in politics of any kind, I found interesting enough to bookmark. Here's a snippet: Reminds me of this item "debate and switch", where voters seamlessly transition their opinions depending on which candidate is mentioned. Worth a look. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj6qeGJCIj0
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keitha
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Mar 15, 2024 11:56:04 GMT
Post by keitha on Mar 15, 2024 11:56:04 GMT
Which is a selective process itself, I have no intention of telling anyone how I voted, and ignore the hangers about outside the polling stations. Not sure who does talk to them? I once had a muppet removed from a polling station He was inside the room, and refused to leave, he even said he had the right to be there I asked the presiding officer to ask him to stand outside, and she called him by his first name and asked him to stand outside whilst I voted, I explained he wasn't allowed in the room but could be in a lobby, her response "but it's draughty out there" I also refused to let him see my polling card, he insisted he had the right to know who was entering the polling station cos I was bored and had nowt else to do I phone the election office of the council and had them explain the rules to the presiding officer, who then told him he had to stand in the lobby or outside and couldn't demand anything from voters.
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adrianc
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Mar 15, 2024 13:56:08 GMT
Post by adrianc on Mar 15, 2024 13:56:08 GMT
Which is a selective process itself, I have no intention of telling anyone how I voted, and ignore the hangers about outside the polling stations. Not sure who does talk to them? I once had a muppet removed from a polling station He was inside the room, and refused to leave, he even said he had the right to be there I asked the presiding officer to ask him to stand outside, and she called him by his first name and asked him to stand outside whilst I voted, I explained he wasn't allowed in the room but could be in a lobby, her response "but it's draughty out there" I also refused to let him see my polling card, he insisted he had the right to know who was entering the polling station cos I was bored and had nowt else to do I phone the election office of the council and had them explain the rules to the presiding officer, who then told him he had to stand in the lobby or outside and couldn't demand anything from voters. Was he a party muppet, rather than a polling muppet? We never get either outside our village hall. Mind you, the clerks bring their knitting.
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michaelc
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Mar 15, 2024 14:17:24 GMT
Post by michaelc on Mar 15, 2024 14:17:24 GMT
Which is a selective process itself, I have no intention of telling anyone how I voted, and ignore the hangers about outside the polling stations. Not sure who does talk to them? The hangers about as you put it are usually reps from the main parties. They shouldn't ask how you have voted as they merely want to see if you have voted. The reason for that is they compile lists during the preceding weeks of people who have said at the doorstep that they will vote for the party. So if that person hasn't gone to the polling station that day, the relevant party will "knock them up" and often even provide a free lift to the polling station. By giving your polling card or lending it you are typically helping all parties as they share that info at the polling station. All of this is voluntary of course.
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adrianc
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Mar 15, 2024 14:32:23 GMT
Post by adrianc on Mar 15, 2024 14:32:23 GMT
No where near as bad as Biden and his boy. Funny, isn't it, how sons are such a show-stopper one way, but not the other... But do feel free to explain in exactly what ways you think Biden is a worse individual, less trustworthy, less honest, less upstanding than DJT... Not about policies (or perceptions thereof), but about the actual human being and their personality. Hey, stevepn - you seem to have forgotten to answer this question. Maybe another one of the Trump fans would be so kind, instead?
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keitha
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Mar 15, 2024 14:43:43 GMT
Post by keitha on Mar 15, 2024 14:43:43 GMT
I once had a muppet removed from a polling station He was inside the room, and refused to leave, he even said he had the right to be there I asked the presiding officer to ask him to stand outside, and she called him by his first name and asked him to stand outside whilst I voted, I explained he wasn't allowed in the room but could be in a lobby, her response "but it's draughty out there" I also refused to let him see my polling card, he insisted he had the right to know who was entering the polling station cos I was bored and had nowt else to do I phone the election office of the council and had them explain the rules to the presiding officer, who then told him he had to stand in the lobby or outside and couldn't demand anything from voters. Was he a party muppet, rather than a polling muppet? We never get either outside our village hall. Mind you, the clerks bring their knitting. oh he was a party muppet complete with red Rosette, and yes I'd have objected if it was Blue, green, orange, pink or stripy. I also get annoyed here when party canvassers tell me I should vote labour because of where I live, or because I'm working class
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Mar 15, 2024 15:06:38 GMT
Post by rscal on Mar 15, 2024 15:06:38 GMT
Funny, isn't it, how sons are such a show-stopper one way, but not the other... But do feel free to explain in exactly what ways you think Biden is a worse individual, less trustworthy, less honest, less upstanding than DJT... Not about policies (or perceptions thereof), but about the actual human being and their personality. Hey, stevepn - you seem to have forgotten to answer this question. Maybe another one of the Trump fans would be so kind, instead? Replying to your own reply, maybe I can supply some attention? What about Hunter Biden's Laptop? Didn't that turn out to be genuine in the end? What did its contents reveal about Joe and Hunter's games in Ukraine and dodgy dealings which the mainstream simply suppressed until after the election when it became moot? There's your "no smoke without fire"
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