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Post by adrianc on Nov 29, 2024 8:22:22 GMT
The Russian government has always believed that JFK was killed by the Deep State Well, it's what they'd have done.
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 29, 2024 12:36:34 GMT
Interesting and worrying that he thinks Trump is still at risk of assassination. Also, I do agree that in that part of the world (Russian and Ukraine at least) children are given a much higher priority than they are here. As Putin says that extends even to organised gang members. Here they seem to be at best an inconvenience or even as I think it was BB that put it they are merely "disease vectors". The Russian government has always believed that JFK was killed by the Deep State for trying to make peace during the Cold War - infact members of the Putin Administration have called for an investigation into the JFK assassination. It is also pretty obvious they do not believe the official version of events of the assassination attempt of Trump in Butler - neither do I. Tell you what, when Russua alliws a full investigation if the Malaysian airlines crash, hands over the Salisbury suspects, etc then calls for JFK investigation might be credible. This is of course the country where people regularly mysteriously fall out of windows.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Nov 29, 2024 16:34:55 GMT
The Russian government has always believed that JFK was killed by the Deep State for trying to make peace during the Cold War - infact members of the Putin Administration have called for an investigation into the JFK assassination. It is also pretty obvious they do not believe the official version of events of the assassination attempt of Trump in Butler - neither do I. Tell you what, when Russua alliws a full investigation if the Malaysian airlines crash, hands over the Salisbury suspects, etc then calls for JFK investigation might be credible. This is of course the country where people regularly mysteriously fall out of windows. To be fair to the Russians they do not go around the world taking the moral high horse telling people what is right and wrong - the US does.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 29, 2024 17:44:15 GMT
Tell you what, when Russua alliws a full investigation if the Malaysian airlines crash, hands over the Salisbury suspects, etc then calls for JFK investigation might be credible. This is of course the country where people regularly mysteriously fall out of windows. To be fair to the Russians they do not go around the world taking the moral high horse telling people what is right and wrong - the US does. To be fair to the Russians "they"* don't give a flying **** as to what is "right" or "wrong": only what is or isn't deemed to be in Putin's interest or desire. *as in the nation under Putin and his accolytes
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Post by angrysaveruk on Nov 29, 2024 18:22:53 GMT
To be fair to the Russians they do not go around the world taking the moral high horse telling people what is right and wrong - the US does. To be fair to the Russians "they"* don't give a flying **** as to what is "right" or "wrong": only what is or isn't deemed to be in Putin's interest or desire. *as in the nation under Putin and his accolytes I would not say the Russians are a-moral, you could argue their history is a bit brutal but in their own way they have some principles. I know you are very into this MSM "West is the Best" stuff but the world is a bit more complex. The US is about greed and materialism more than anything else, if you think the US is primarily concerned about doing what is "Right" (whatever that means) I think you are a bit naive. The US empire is primarily about making money for the ruling elite in the US, nothing more than that and the US involvement in the proxy war between Ukraine and Russia is mainly about resources and global dominance, here it is from the horses mouth arch Neo-Con Graham:
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Post by baboonery on Nov 29, 2024 18:50:47 GMT
To be fair to the Russians "they"* don't give a flying **** as to what is "right" or "wrong": only what is or isn't deemed to be in Putin's interest or desire. *as in the nation under Putin and his accolytes I would not say the Russians are a-moral, you could argue their history is a bit brutal but in their own way they have some principles. I know you are very into this MSM "West is the Best" stuff but the world is a bit more complex. The US is about greed and materialism more than anything else, if you think the US is primarily concerned about doing what is "Right" (whatever that means) I think you are a bit naive. The US empire is primarily about making money for the ruling elite in the US, nothing more than that and the US involvement in the proxy war between Ukraine and Russia is mainly about resources and global dominance, here it is from the horses mouth arch Neo-Con Graham: “A bit brutal”!!
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Post by benaj on Nov 29, 2024 19:05:35 GMT
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Post by k6 on Nov 29, 2024 19:35:03 GMT
To be fair to the Russians "they"* don't give a flying **** as to what is "right" or "wrong": only what is or isn't deemed to be in Putin's interest or desire. *as in the nation under Putin and his accolytes I would not say the Russians are a-moral, you could argue their history is a bit brutal but in their own way they have some principles. I know you are very into this MSM "West is the Best" stuff but the world is a bit more complex. The US is about greed and materialism more than anything else, if you think the US is primarily concerned about doing what is "Right" (whatever that means) I think you are a bit naive. The US empire is primarily about making money for the ruling elite in the US, nothing more than that and the US involvement in the proxy war between Ukraine and Russia is mainly about resources and global dominance, here it is from the horses mouth arch Neo-Con Graham: russian/s history is brutal cos that's how they rule there. The overall poverty has an huge impact on society and it makes easier to control it. Elites don't want society to be well-to-do cos they loos control over it. you know this very well. if you try to say russian elites are not about making money than there is no much to say. russia could be huge in terms of who they are. Could be very influential and respected but it will not happen even in a next 100 years cos that's not their goal. russia without Ukraine losses a lot, and i mean A LOT. More then ppl can imagine and more then russia wish others know, that is why they also play game of ' Ukraine is actually not so important '.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 29, 2024 19:47:47 GMT
The Russians have said they are not in favour of freezing the front lines - obviously as they are the ones with the initiative at the moment. Hopefully they will be persuaded....
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Post by bernythedolt on Nov 29, 2024 20:50:09 GMT
Tell you what, when Russua alliws a full investigation if the Malaysian airlines crash, hands over the Salisbury suspects, etc then calls for JFK investigation might be credible. This is of course the country where people regularly mysteriously fall out of windows. To be fair to the Russians they do not go around the world taking the moral high horse telling people what is right and wrong - the US does. You've just posted a clip above in which Putin does exactly that. He literally takes the moral high ground, telling us how Russians have more scruples than the US and would never take out women and children when their gangsters settle a score. RIP Dawn Sturgess (Salisbury novichok) and Kristina Raspopova, the innocent female flight attendant on Yevgeny Prigozhin's aeroplane.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Nov 30, 2024 8:45:03 GMT
To be fair to the Russians they do not go around the world taking the moral high horse telling people what is right and wrong - the US does. You've just posted a clip above in which Putin does exactly that. He literally takes the moral high ground, telling us how Russians have more scruples than the US and would never take out women and children when their gangsters settle a score. RIP Dawn Sturgess (Salisbury novichok) and Kristina Raspopova, the innocent female flight attendant on Yevgeny Prigozhin's aeroplane. He was talking about personal attacks on Trumps family during the election campaign. I would not be at all surprised if Putin does not consider Russia to be morally superior to the US. However Russia is not an Imperialist force the US is, and with its morally totalitarian "Rules Based Order" - which is what I was talking about.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Nov 30, 2024 8:50:40 GMT
The Russians have said they are not in favour of freezing the front lines - obviously as they are the ones with the initiative at the moment. Hopefully they will be persuaded.... The main problem with any negotiations with Russia is it has the upper hand and there is very little NATO/Trump can do about it. Russia has proven itself to be a real military superpower with both its willingness to fight, industrial output and game changing military technology. The best option for Ukraine right now is for the US to walk away from the situation and the for the Zelensky government to collapse allowing a less Anti-Russian government to take power. Yes Ukraine would lose territory to Russia however the Russians do not want to take the whole of Ukraine and as long as they remain neutral (like Finland was) then they can rebuild their country. Ukraine needs to stay away from NATO*. * - this plan to send European NATO troops to Ukraine is going to do nothing other than lead to large scale NATO casualties since the Russians will target them aggressively - and possibly lead to the collapse of the governments involved.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 30, 2024 8:57:07 GMT
Russia has proven itself to be a real military superpower Didn't we hit day 1000 of this three-day war a fortnight ago?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Nov 30, 2024 8:59:42 GMT
Russia has proven itself to be a real military superpower Didn't we hit day 1000 of this three-day war a fortnight ago? Russia is fighting a war of attrition against a very well armed large military and has basically won at this stage. Yes their initial plan to storm Kiev and collapse the government failed, they lost that battle - they underestimated Ukrainian resolve. The US tried to fight a War of attrition against the Taliban for 20 years and lost.
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Post by registerme on Nov 30, 2024 9:28:16 GMT
However Russia is not an Imperialist force the US is Well that's the funniest thing I'm likely to read today.
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