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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 19, 2014 19:22:31 GMT
The NaN (Not a Number, for readers who don't follow this cr&p) is actually sent back from their server, so I guess it's the authors of Ajax or whatever that you can blame .. although to be fair the FC webpage does check for "!NaN" before it tries to display a net rate for you (else it'd get it's knickers in a twist big time).
Yes, I have seen that 'money gets lost' when things are hectic. One one famous occasion (documented over on the FC board) it lost a 4 figure sum for multiple hours, because it failed to return ANY bids. What I've not seen is wrong results after an auction closes, but wrong results when bidding exceeds a few hundred bids a minute is pretty common. A bid-bot (ignoring the webpage protocols) can bid faster than twice a second**, and if the bids are large then what's getting knocked out is a much bigger number of smaller bids - which is when the 'give the cash back' thread can't keep up (presumably it's trying to update your transaction report, and various other bits of bookkeeping).
FC have been told more than once, but don't think it's a problem (well, for autobid, which is what they'd like to live on, it probably isn't .. those autobids are in well before auction end).
[** I regard this as pretty rude if they do it for more than a few seconds. The rumoured API is supposed to be limited to one bid per 20 seconds.]
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Post by yorkshireman on Mar 19, 2014 19:43:11 GMT
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Could we keep English as the language of this forum please rather than Swahili or Serbo Croat?
All this talk of “grok the concept of atomic transaction”, “NaN”, "technical debt", “bad code/temporary fix” etc. is extremely confusing!
Said with tongue in cheek and no criticism of the gentleman who have used these expressions! 
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Post by yorkshireman on Mar 19, 2014 19:50:35 GMT
Yorkshireman, you don't say whether you are on the mobile version or desktop. When I access the forum from my mobile this is how it works: If you want to reply without quoting scroll to the top of the page you're on and look for a blue box on the right with "reply" in it. If you want to start a new thread with your own title, from the point where you could "reply", instead touch the board title - in this case Funding Circle. Then look middle right again for the box with "Create Thread" in it. (to the right of Funding Circle) Hope that helps. Hi Nick
I’m using a desktop and have followed your instructions for reply successfully at the second attempt.
Thanks for the assistance, I’ll follow your instructions for a new thread when required.
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Post by yorkshireman on Mar 19, 2014 19:51:56 GMT
Request to Mods
Could we keep English as the language of this forum please rather than Swahili or Serbo Croat?
All this talk of “grok the concept of atomic transaction”, “NaN”, "technical debt", “bad code/temporary fix” etc. is extremely confusing!
Said with tongue in cheek and no criticism of the gentleman who have used these expressions!
Sorry, should read gentlemen
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Post by markr on Mar 19, 2014 19:54:28 GMT
The NaN (Not a Number, for readers who don't follow this cr&p) In a lab I used to work in, where we generated more NaNs than an Indian take away on a Saturday night, we called it a NumericAl No-no.
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Post by mikeb on Mar 19, 2014 20:47:53 GMT
Request to Mods
Could we keep English as the language of this forum please rather than Swahili or Serbo Croat?
All this talk of “grok the concept of atomic transaction”, “NaN”, "technical debt", “bad code/temporary fix” etc. is extremely confusing!
Said with tongue in cheek and no criticism of the gentleman who have used these expressions!
Sorry, should read gentlemen I'm no gentleman, I'm a geek. Please stop discriminating against minorities  I'm sure everyone knows what NaN is, especially if Funding Circle say that's what my rate is ...
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 19, 2014 21:36:34 GMT
NaN .. I explained it .. everyone should try to learn summat new every day! It'll show up in your FC webpages sometimes .. the result of having no live bids, thus an average rate of (x% / 0)
Atomic transaction - something that can't be split (OK, that predates Rutherford) .. well maybe 'something that shouldn't be split'. Like you pays your money and you gets your ticket .. paying your money now and collecting your ticket at the airport, or flying first and leaving them an IOU to pay later both violate the concept, and are more error/risk prone than the average system designer likes.
'technical debt' .. that's FC speak for 'historically screwed up' I think .. not a term I'd bandy around personally.
'grok' .. go read your Heinlein (Stranger in a Strange Land) .. or live through the 60s (again), if you want to grok 'grok' .. that's one of his novels that aged relatively well (IMO), actually.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 19, 2014 21:38:14 GMT
I'm sure every knows what NaN, yes, its what someone who is dyslexic has with his cury. Sometimes accompanied by rita.
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Post by oldnick on Mar 19, 2014 23:08:42 GMT
Yorkshireman, you don't say whether you are on the mobile version or desktop. When I access the forum from my mobile this is how it works: If you want to reply without quoting scroll to the top of the page you're on and look for a blue box on the right with "reply" in it. If you want to start a new thread with your own title, from the point where you could "reply", instead touch the board title - in this case Funding Circle. Then look middle right again for the box with "Create Thread" in it. (to the right of Funding Circle) Hope that helps. Hi Nick
I’m using a desktop and have followed your instructions for reply successfully at the second attempt.
Thanks for the assistance, I’ll follow your instructions for a new thread when required.
Glad to be of help
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Post by markr on Mar 20, 2014 9:18:16 GMT
NaN [...] thus an average rate of (x% / 0) To follow IEEE754, that would be +Inf not NaN. Pity their standards have slipped really, I would quite like a loan part with infinite rate. Strictly, NaN indicates a complex or imaginary number - come to think of it, I already have some loan parts with imaginary rates.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 20, 2014 11:53:02 GMT
Oh you can have loan parts with +inf rate, as long as you have exactly 0 of them. 8>.
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Post by blender on Mar 20, 2014 13:30:06 GMT
Oh yes, the good old square root of -1. Much better than the square root of FA, so FC might find a way of including some imaginary earnings into the statistics. With a little 'j' in front and a long note of explanation which would be about as intelligible as this post.
What news of Grumpy, real or imaginary?
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Post by uncletone on Mar 21, 2014 9:36:57 GMT
What news of Grumpy, real or imaginary? The real Grumpy has as yet not replied. The imaginary Grumpy is still posting imaginary posts as always.
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Post by blender on Mar 21, 2014 18:37:10 GMT
What news of Grumpy, real or imaginary? The real Grumpy has as yet not replied. The imaginary Grumpy is still posting imaginary posts as always. I hope the rules for imaginary posts are less stringent than for real posts, otherwise we may never hear from the real Old Grumpy again.
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Post by uncletone on Mar 21, 2014 21:58:44 GMT
Grumpy has been found and reinstated. The forum rules remain unchanged.
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