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Post by ablender on Jan 19, 2016 18:02:37 GMT
Fastest mouse skills surely. Not much typing required, few digits Good point, but 'mouse skills' are of a similar 'skill set' to typing. As Saving Stream have already stated, 'fastest finger', we need to get into training... ilmoro, have you got any ideas on a training regime? I have to disagree with you on that. My hamster had a lot of mouse skills but he could not type a single letter. He is resting in peace now.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 19, 2016 18:02:38 GMT
Surely trumped by:
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 19, 2016 18:04:44 GMT
Surely trumped by: ..................................
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Post by sam i am on Jan 19, 2016 18:13:32 GMT
Well yes, there is clearly an issue when the refresh check page comes back with '{"renderLoansIfAny":[true]}', meaning there are some available, but by the time the available loans page has redrawn, there aren't, or it says there are supposed to be £x available in loan pblxxx, but by the time you get to the pblxxx page(even if you teleport there) it says 'all gone'. It's a race, which even bots could not always win. Recaptcha does seem to be working as an ad-hoc allocation mechanism though - you may get a few free passes (per day?) after which you get pictures, and no hope (except at 2AM, when some parts hung around for AN HOUR .. can you believe it!). I did find on a few occasions that there was nothing available when I clicked through to the loan page but this always seemed to be when a second or third part of the same loan had been put up for sale. So I presumed that someone was already trying to bid for the first bit, missed out but ended up at the front of the queue for the next bit. I didn't find this to be an issue otherwise. Was your experience more widespread?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 19, 2016 19:30:48 GMT
That's a possible explanation yep .... Or someone sticking 9999 into the amount box the first time, which will hoover all there at processing time.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 20, 2016 17:38:18 GMT
Conclusion. My internet is far to slow for this game, by the time the box had brought up the tick or pictures the part had gone. Looks like its PF only for me from now on... I'm coming to a similar conclusion, as clicking as soon as something appears on the Available page often brings up a loan page showing nothing available. Today, I had a different variation on that theme. When I arrived at the loan page there was something still available but there was no box to tick, so I entered a number in the amount box and clicked 'Invest' (or whatever the button actually says). I then got an error message telling me that I needed to tick the box, which hadn't been there at the time I clicked 'Invest' but had appeared by the time the page refreshed with the error message. By then, of course,the amount available had changed to being zero, so there was no point ticking the box. On other occasions, when I've arrived at the loan page I've had an animated circle symbol occupying the space where the tick box would appear some number of seconds later, but watched the loan part availability go to zero while waiting for the tick box to appear. So even if I had been given a 'pass' and not had to go through the picture quiz I still wouldn't have had any chance of buying a loan part. My conclusion is that 'fastest finger' works appropriately only in a controlled environment where there is a level playing field. It doesn't work fairly when there are uncontrollable variables -- such as internet connection speed, the equipment being used, etc. -- giving some participants consistent handicaps. While the addition of the reCaptchas might have stopped bot use, it has introduced other inequities and resulted in a system that still isn't fair. I do hope savingstream are paying attention to the deficiencies noted here, and are working on other methods of making their SM a fairer place. I appreciate the seeming simplicity of the SS platform, but I do not like the unfairness that exists in the SM, so I'm beginning to think that SS need to develop some sort of fairer queuing system for buying SM parts. Until that's implemented, buying parts on the SM will be a very negative experience for most SS investors and will encourage people to invest elsewhere, and that's not going to help SS at all.
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Post by ben on Jan 20, 2016 17:48:40 GMT
Conclusion. My internet is far to slow for this game, by the time the box had brought up the tick or pictures the part had gone. Looks like its PF only for me from now on... I'm coming to a similar conclusion, as clicking as soon as something appears on the Available page often brings up a loan page showing nothing available. Today, I had a different variation on that theme. When I arrived at the loan page there was something still available but there was no box to tick, so I entered a number in the amount box and clicked 'Invest' (or whatever the button actually says). I then got an error message telling me that I needed to tick the box, which hadn't been there at the time I clicked 'Invest' but had appeared by the time the page refreshed with the error message. By then, of course,the amount available had changed to being zero, so there was no point ticking the box. On other occasions, when I've arrived at the loan page I've had an animated circle symbol occupying the space where the tick box would appear some number of seconds later, but watched the loan part availability go to zero while waiting for the tick box to appear. So even if I had been given a 'pass' and not had to go through the picture quiz I still wouldn't have had any chance of buying a loan part. My conclusion is that 'fastest finger' works appropriately only in a controlled environment where there is a level playing field. It doesn't work fairly when there are uncontrollable variables -- such as internet connection speed, the equipment being used, etc. -- giving some participants consistent handicaps. While the addition of the reCaptchas might have stopped bot use, it has introduced other inequities and resulted in a system that still isn't fair. I do hope savingstream are paying attention to the deficiencies noted here, and are working on other methods of making their SM a fairer place. I appreciate the seeming simplicity of the SS platform, but I do not like the unfairness that exists in the SM, so I'm beginning to think that SS need to develop some sort of fairer queuing system for buying SM parts. Until that's implemented, buying parts on the SM will be a very negative experience for most SS investors and will encourage people to invest elsewhere, and that's not going to help SS at all. I do not think they will ever get a system that is fair to all whilst there is far more demand then supply
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 20, 2016 18:05:29 GMT
They could get one which is FAIR for all, but it will not make everyone (or maybe not even anyone) HAPPY while there is a supply imbalance .. but there is, as I have oft noted, no balance mechanism, so it may just tip the other way (lots of sellers and no buyers) which would be even more distressing. Not being able to get your money out being more worrying than not being able to get it in.
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Post by queenvictoria on Jan 20, 2016 18:39:31 GMT
They could get one which is FAIR for all, but it will not make everyone (or maybe not even anyone) HAPPY while there is a supply imbalance .. but there is, as I have oft noted, no balance mechanism, so it may just tip the other way (lots of sellers and no buyers) which would be even more distressing. Not being able to get your money out being more worrying than not being able to get it in. A very good point. We all like the SS secondary market for it's ability to sell our loan parts whenever we want. Yes I agree. Top priority is to keep our investments as liquid as possible with buyers always. Important, but not as important, is the availability of loans to buy on the SM. Of course, there needs to be enough available to buy enough of the time if prospective buyers are going to be interested enough so they are hanging around just when you want to sell so the two are related.
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Post by jcb208 on Feb 3, 2016 20:02:31 GMT
Is it me or is it almost impossible to pick up loans on the SM. m***********3 seems to get a high percentage of them ,what ever time of day I try I am always to late
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 3, 2016 20:35:36 GMT
Is it me or is it almost impossible to pick up loans on the SM. m***********3 seems to get a high percentage of them ,what ever time of day I try I am always to late It's not just you. There are 6000 investors on SS investing and with 2.8Million being returned to investors today the SM is going to be impossible to invest in m***********3 seems to be, somewhat.... lucky! If he has found a loophole, then good luck to him; but he does maintain that he just has fast fingers. He is a member (@mbb13 ) on the forum, so I'm sure he will reply. Persoannly I think you should treat the SM as an easy way to get rid of your money and just be patient with the prefunding. SS has sugested that £30m of new loans that are currently in with solictors at present, so things should pick up throughout the month.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 3, 2016 22:02:30 GMT
Persoannly I think you should treat the SM as an easy way to get rid of your money and just be patient with the prefunding. I think people would be a lot more willing to take that position if it wasn't for the fact that it's been a full month since the last new loan was released, and nothing in the pipeline at the moment has progressed to Stage 3 yet, and therefore there's nothing about to be released. Not to mention that the loan was a small one and the maximum allocation anyone received -- except for our fast-fingered friend -- was £300. You have to go back a month and a half -- to 18/Dec -- to find the last large loan to be released.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 3, 2016 22:11:49 GMT
Persoannly I think you should treat the SM as an easy way to get rid of your money and just be patient with the prefunding. I think people would be a lot more willing to take that position if it wasn't for the fact that it's been a full month since the last new loan was released, and nothing in the pipeline at the moment has progressed to Stage 3 yet, and therefore there's nothing about to be released. Not to mention that the loan was a small one and the maximum allocation anyone received -- except for our fast-fingered friend -- was £300. You have to go back a month and a half -- to 18/Dec -- to find the last large loan to be released. I know it's frustrating, but the loans are still waiting in the Pipeline. I’d much rather see SS take their time with the legal paperwork and making sure the lender can repay, instead of rushing things just to keep us happy.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 3, 2016 22:31:41 GMT
I think people would be a lot more willing to take that position if it wasn't for the fact that it's been a full month since the last new loan was released, and nothing in the pipeline at the moment has progressed to Stage 3 yet, and therefore there's nothing about to be released. Not to mention that the loan was a small one and the maximum allocation anyone received -- except for our fast-fingered friend -- was £300. You have to go back a month and a half -- to 18/Dec -- to find the last large loan to be released. I know it's frustrating, but the loans are still waiting in the Pipeline. I’d much rather see SS take their time with the legal paperwork and making sure the lender can repay, instead of rushing things just to keep us happy. I'm with you all the way on that sentiment. The last thing we want are problem loans!
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