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Post by pepperpot on Feb 9, 2016 1:26:08 GMT
Maybe after the last £8300 uproar, SS decided to drip the excess out in £180 chunks in a effort to spread it around a bit?
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Post by adrianc on Feb 9, 2016 8:08:43 GMT
Maybe after the last £8300 uproar, SS decided to drip the excess out in £180 chunks in a effort to spread it around a bit? It's starting to seem as if SS are damned no matter what they do. They incorporate lessons learned and refine the SM or pre-funding? They're fiddling and tweaking, and it's unpredictable...
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Post by star dust on Feb 9, 2016 13:48:09 GMT
I must admit that I am too upset by seeing the today’s loans appearing on the SM; TBH I see it as a tad inconsiderate from those investors. I don’t have investments in AC so can’t comment too far on their system, but the problem I see is that I like to get the prefunded loan and then diversify by selling older risker loans. I don’t want money waiting about in SS unnecessarily. In any case I would like to see some tweaking. Maybe the pipeline loans can have a 24hr ‘overhang’, where any new loans that are sold back onto the SM are held and then divided again to the investors that didn’t sell their new investments on the SM. Not clear on the scale of this as I stopped looking, but there are still 1800 investors (and I wouldn't think there were that many completely new ones since launch) so a net loss of only 29. Between lenders wanting to hold this is only going to amount to a few pounds each, not sure it's worth it. If the scale of 'dumping' amounted to more than £10 per investor then perhaps, but even though I'm not enamoured of the current system, I'd rather they just spent their time bringing more loans (without loss of standard of course) onto the platform.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 9, 2016 14:59:07 GMT
I must admit that I am too upset by seeing the today’s loans appearing on the SM; TBH I see it as a tad inconsiderate from those investors. I don’t have investments in AC so can’t comment too far on their system, but the problem I see is that I like to get the prefunded loan and then diversify by selling older risker loans. I don’t want money waiting about in SS unnecessarily. In any case I would like to see some tweaking. Maybe the pipeline loans can have a 24hr ‘overhang’, where any new loans that are sold back onto the SM are held and then divided again to the investors that didn’t sell their new investments on the SM. Not clear on the scale of this as I stopped looking, but there are still 1800 investors (and I wouldn't think there were that many completely new ones since launch) so a net loss of only 29. Between lenders wanting to hold this is only going to amount to a few pounds each, not sure it's worth it. If the scale of 'dumping' amounted to more than £10 per investor then perhaps, but even though I'm not enamoured of the current system, I'd rather they just spent their time bringing more loans (without loss of standard of course) onto the platform. I agree with everytning you said; I'm just thinking out loud ! I'm quite an advocate of keeping things as they are. With the current system working for SS; I do believe that the most important thing is the loans; that they are safe and DD has been completed by SS. Everything else is a distance second .
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Post by spareafewcoppersguv on Feb 9, 2016 15:45:49 GMT
I agree too. Yes, SS is a very popular platform for those of us fortunate to have spotted it and got in to whatever extent we have been able. That popularity is going to continue and grow. We want them to be successful and if they are we will share in the upside. If they haven't already, then in due course they are likely to implement a more formal process into their IT development with a means of evaluating change requests (of which a few are regularly mooted on this forum), and a release plan. If we are fortunate they might share this release plan with us. To date they have done what they can to respond to people's wishes and concerns, but now we need to give them space to get on with priorities 1, 2 and 3. Bring more high quality loans onto the platform. Bring more high quality loans onto the platform. Bring more high quality loans onto the platform.
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Post by tomtom on Feb 12, 2016 7:41:41 GMT
What is the danger of buying parts in loabs which have gone past there original sale date, ie having - days remaining?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 8:07:17 GMT
There is the base risk that every loan has associated with it .... and .... they may be at the max-point of their investment cycle in which case the cash may not have started coming back in.... leading to high risk of failure despite the project being successful.
My logic is, always look for reasons to not make an investment. For me, being in negative territory is a perfect reason to not invest.
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Post by sunspot on Feb 12, 2016 13:33:10 GMT
What is the danger of buying parts in loans which have gone past there original sale date, ie having - days remaining? You should read the the most recent update and the valuation document, but the risk will depend on the loan, and you have to consider it from at least two perspectives... 1) Lendy don't want to foreclose, because that's bad for everyone, so unlike some banks, I imagine they work with the borrower. So far, they seem to have a good track record, but there are rather more loans overdue than I'm entirely comfortable with. (Some are inevitable - that's the nature of the business.) 2) Check out the LTV ratio and read the valuation document. So far, I've only come across two loans that I would avoid (including one in the pipeline) but I haven't read them all by any means, and I typically skim the documents looking for an overall feel - unless my initial reaction is negative, at which point I look more closely. If you're satisfied that the valuation is fair, then an LTV of no more than 50% should mean your capital is safe. In most instances, 70% should also be safe, especially if the loan size is relatively small, since Lendy maintain a contingency fund (as do most P2P lenders). On the other hand, if Lendy do foreclose, that will presumably require trading to cease - which means you won't have access to your capital until the asset is sold, or the loan is refinanced... Depending on your situation, that may be a major factor in your reasoning.
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Post by nanniema on Feb 19, 2016 21:57:13 GMT
At the moment, a few months in, I am only investing in loans with positive days remaining and selling them when they approach their due date. I am working on the assumption that because, as I understand it, the interest is paid up front there is no risk.
Either I have got this totally wrong and am likely to receive a very rude awakening.
If by any chance I may be right then discussions about whether farmland has planning permission and/or drainage would seem to be a bit academic.
Please enlighten a newbie(ish)
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 19, 2016 22:19:11 GMT
At the moment, a few months in, I am only investing in loans with positive days remaining and selling them when they approach their due date. I am working on the assumption that because, as I understand it, the interest is paid up front there is no risk. Either I have got this totally wrong and am likely to receive a very rude awakening. If by any chance I may be right then discussions about whether farmland has planning permission and/or drainage would seem to be a bit academic. Please enlighten a newbie(ish) You are right that the interest is paid upfront. So in theory, the loans that are within their term is relatively safe. However there are still risks; for example, the borrower could go bankrupt, or pass away. Furthermore, the security could suddenly loose its value; for example, a property could burn down. In all these cases, even though the upfront interest still being held by SS, the loan is going to be far less attractive on the SM. However, that being the case, my strategy is much the same as yours, but my safety net for getting rid of loans is 100 days and as I'm now slowly diversifying I have a set of rules for keeping & ridding loans; 1st. Date Remaining (selling my investments in loans with less than 100 days remaining) 2nd. My Personal Opinion of the loan from my own DD 3rd. LTV Is Less Than 50%
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Post by star dust on Feb 19, 2016 22:40:20 GMT
3rd. LTV Is Less Than 50% I expect you realise, but you have to watch out for SS's headline LTVs some are for second charges, and thus not strictly accurate in my view. I'm not so rigid on the LTV myself, think it's one of a combination of factors. DD is definitely important, and my advice to nanniema , would be that you shouldn't operate on the assumption that you will always be able to sell loans. A few defaults or other 'shocks' and the SM could freeze up and you'd be left with an asset to the end of the loan term and possibly well beyond hoping for repayment or a successful outcome from default. So it's probably best to make sure you would also be comfortable with the underlying security in a worst case scenario.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 19, 2016 23:02:00 GMT
3rd. LTV Is Less Than 50% I expect you realise, but you have to watch out for SS's headline LTVs some are for second charges, and thus not strictly accurate in my view. I'm not so rigid on the LTV myself, think it's one of a combination of factors. DD is definitely important, and my advice to nanniema , would be that you shouldn't operate on the assumption that you will always be able to sell loans. A few defaults or other 'shocks' and the SM could freeze up and you'd be left with an asset to the end of the loan term and possibly well beyond hoping for repayment or a successful outcome from default. So it's probably best to make sure you would also be comfortable with the underlying security in a worst case scenario. I certainly do take SS LTV with a pinch of salt! If truth be told I ignore SS headline LTV altogether, and come to my own conclusions to what I would consider is a true LTV. I also agree with you whole heartily with the second part of your post; invest in a loan with the assumption that the SM will become "far less liquid" tomorrow morning.
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Post by nanniema on Feb 19, 2016 23:07:47 GMT
Thanks cooling_dude and star dust for the advice. I will certainly look to adjust the number of days before their due date.
It would also be advisable to increase diversification - not so easy at the moment.
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Post by freddy on Feb 20, 2016 0:46:05 GMT
Similar to cooling dude I look to sell off at 100 days to go and to date have always been able to achieve between 70 & 100. I also try for the lower LTVs however that can sometimes compromise diversity so I do have some of the higher LTVs in my spread. Additionally, I try to ensure that no single investment in any one loan exceeds my expected yearly interest after tax. My thinking is that if a loan goes south I at least won't loose capital. My longer term strategy is to diversify further so that 2 could fail without loss of capital. To date I haven't fully achieved that objective but am pretty close. The ability to achieve and maintain that is obviously dependent on a steady stream of new loans and the liquidity of the SM being maintained. My approach may not be the best but I think it is important to have a set of personal guidelines rather than just buying willy nilly.
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Post by dodgeydave on Feb 20, 2016 1:55:14 GMT
My system is similar to those mentioned above.
But i dont mind going oversubscribed on the new loans for a short period.
At the moment i am oversubscribed on 73 , 77 and 80. All picked up on the SM .
But once the new loans are released i will sell the extra , I know it is slightly risky . But the SM market is working very well at the moment .
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