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Post by Steerpike on Jun 20, 2016 18:05:05 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2016 18:11:22 GMT
Well, if we're going to be using UKIP publicity material to debate the credibility of various arguments...  A poster so thoroughly fallacious and odious that even Johnson and Gove distanced themselves from it.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 20, 2016 18:47:02 GMT
Well, if we're going to be using UKIP publicity material to debate the credibility of various arguments... A poster so thoroughly fallacious and odious that even Johnson and Gove distanced themselves from it. Farage will be proved correct in years to come once this tide of migrants has gained citizenship of an EU member state and are then free to move wherever they wish within the EU. I am off for that pint now.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 20, 2016 20:37:04 GMT
This thread, this whole debate in all media, seems to me like rationalists versus those possessed by religious fervour. There is no reasoned argument or fact which can trouble a true believer.
So who are the rationalists and who are the religious believers? You all know which is which.
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Post by locutus on Jun 20, 2016 21:24:52 GMT
This thread, this whole debate in all media, seems to me like rationalists versus those possessed by religious fervour. There is no reasoned argument or fact which can trouble a true believer. So who are the rationalists and who are the religious believers? You all know which is which. Yes, that's right. Anyone who wants to leave the EU is irrational and obviously isn't thinking straight. I'm convinced now - there is not a single reason to leave the EU. Thanks. This is nothing more than pointlessly divisive drivel that adds nothing to the debate other than to insult your opponents.
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Post by earthbound on Jun 20, 2016 22:31:25 GMT
Roll on Thursday.. i don't know how much more of this doom and gloom i can take.  |
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Post by Liz on Jun 20, 2016 22:36:33 GMT
Roll on Thursday.. i don't know how much more of this doom and gloom i can take. I can't wait to see the result and view the fallout. I must note if remain win this by a squeaky bum, then Farage might just have "hit the winner" for Remain.
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Post by earthbound on Jun 20, 2016 22:54:31 GMT
Roll on Thursday.. i don't know how much more of this doom and gloom i can take. I can't wait to see the result and view the fallout. I must note if remain win this by a squeaky bum, then Farage might just have "hit the winner" for Remain. It really has gone daft when the bloody Greeks feel they can jump on a soapbox and preach to the UK about economics. edit..usually around this time i'm off to SS to snaffle a few titbits on the SM.. but even that's boring now. 
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2016 7:55:37 GMT
This thread, this whole debate in all media, seems to me like rationalists versus those possessed by religious fervour. There is no reasoned argument or fact which can trouble a true believer. So who are the rationalists and who are the religious believers? You all know which is which. Yes, that's right. Anyone who wants to leave the EU is irrational and obviously isn't thinking straight. I'm convinced now - there is not a single reason to leave the EU. Thanks. This is nothing more than pointlessly divisive drivel that adds nothing to the debate other than to insult your opponents. Interesting assumption as to which side he was inferring was which.
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Post by easteregg on Jun 21, 2016 8:39:07 GMT
Writing again in a purely personal capacity. I believe there is another TV debate tonight, similar to the last ITV debate which I watched with interest. My mind is already made up, but I'm really concerned by the negativity put out mostly by remain side and the personal attacks (as in the last ITV debate on Boris Johnson) and the inference that leaving is xenophobic or racist. Everyone is entitled to their own views which others may disagree with, but name calling and personal attacks are not acceptable. If politicians do it, it is no wonder that it is copied by some of the public.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2016 9:00:10 GMT
Writing again in a purely personal capacity. I believe there is another TV debate tonight, similar to the last ITV debate which I watched with interest. My mind is already made up, but I'm really concerned by the negativity put out mostly by remain side and the personal attacks (as in the last ITV debate on Boris Johnson) and the inference that leaving is xenophobic or racist. Everyone is entitled to their own views which others may disagree with, but name calling and personal attacks are not acceptable. If politicians do it, it is no wonder that it is copied by some of the public. You're absolutely right. Personal attacks are not acceptable by either side, or in any other context. Wanting to leave the EU is not inherently xenophobic or racist - but you can certainly bet that every single xenophobe and racist will be voting that way in the referendum, and there is little doubt that many of the arguments put forward have appealed strongly to that demographic.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jun 21, 2016 9:10:01 GMT
Writing again in a purely personal capacity. I believe there is another TV debate tonight, similar to the last ITV debate which I watched with interest. My mind is already made up, but I'm really concerned by the negativity put out mostly by remain side and the personal attacks (as in the last ITV debate on Boris Johnson) and the inference that leaving is xenophobic or racist. Everyone is entitled to their own views which others may disagree with, but name calling and personal attacks are not acceptable. If politicians do it, it is no wonder that it is copied by some of the public. I have been bitterly disappointed with the whole debate from both sides. If this is the best they can do, then having their hands tied by Brussels is no less than they deserve. I don't think that I have heard a positive case for the EU from any remain campaigner. I can see that they as Labour got wiped out in Scotland after the referendum last year, everyone is being cautious about sharing platforms, but nonetheless. And the leave campaigners seem to hate some of their co-campaigners more than they hate the EU. Nobody is being honest. Most unedifying.
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Post by jevans4949 on Jun 21, 2016 9:14:13 GMT
Interesting news on LBC Radio just now: apparently 46% of Leave voters believe the referendum result will be rigged!
And even 10% of remain voters believe it.
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Post by earthbound on Jun 21, 2016 9:17:31 GMT
Interesting news on LBC Radio just now: apparently 46% of Leave voters believe the referendum result will be rigged! And even 10% of remain voters believe it. Interesting... Did anyone comment on 'how' they thought it could be rigged?
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Post by jevans4949 on Jun 21, 2016 9:21:39 GMT
Interesting news on LBC Radio just now: apparently 46% of Leave voters believe the referendum result will be rigged! And even 10% of remain voters believe it. Interesting... Did anyone comment on 'how' they thought it could be rigged? No - just a supplementary question on an opinion poll. Dodgy postal votes are always a good route. Worked in Austria, allegedly
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