littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on Jun 12, 2016 17:34:14 GMT
Obama's point was clear, with no malice or preference, first thing usa does if gb leave is renegotiate its trade agreement with eu, in all probability our usa and euro market share divvied up amongst the chortling usa euro trade representatives. and for us brits see greece. its not paranoia. work through it in your head. gb leaves worlds 2nd largest trade zone against the advice of the largest trade zone and the 2nd largest trade zone. first thing largest trade zone does is renegotiate trade agreement with second largest trade zone. obama said it could take 10 - 20 who knows maybe 30 years to square things up with us. Merkel has intimated the same. us leaving may turn sentiment against us. The EU has been negotiating a deal with the US for years and is getting nowhere. They have to get 27 countries to agree that US firms can sue European governments if US firms are denied contracts. If we leave we could probably do a deal with the US quicker than the EU. The EU share of world trade is falling like a stone. Whilst we remain in it we cannot do any deals with the rest of the world which is growing much faster. The EU sells to us more than they buy at an annual rate of £100,000,000,000. the politicians may want to punish us for leaving but the manufacturers will exert enormous pressure.
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Post by ogwellian on Jun 12, 2016 17:38:51 GMT
I suppose as most financial experts seem to be for remain and most seem to be anti p2p, we're a cavalier bunch and Out will win in our poll!!
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eddie
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Post by eddie on Jun 12, 2016 17:53:15 GMT
Obama's point was clear, with no malice or preference, first thing usa does if gb leave is renegotiate its trade agreement with eu, in all probability our usa and euro market share divvied up amongst the chortling usa euro trade representatives. and for us brits see greece. its not paranoia. work through it in your head. gb leaves worlds 2nd largest trade zone against the advice of the largest trade zone and the 2nd largest trade zone. first thing largest trade zone does is renegotiate trade agreement with second largest trade zone. obama said it could take 10 - 20 who knows maybe 30 years to square things up with us. Merkel has intimated the same. us leaving may turn sentiment against us. The EU has been negotiating a deal with the US for years and is getting nowhere. They have to get 27 countries to agree that US firms can sue European governments if US firms are denied contracts. If we leave we could probably do a deal with the US quicker than the EU. The EU share of world trade is falling like a stone. Whilst we remain in it we cannot do any deals with the rest of the world which is growing much faster. The EU sells to us more than they buy at an annual rate of £100,000,000,000. the politicians may want to punish us for leaving but the manufacturers will exert enormous pressure. maybe we will find out. you think usa and eu not in a trade agreement with each other now? i KNOW we arent in a trade agreement with usa and eu. what are you depending on to get us trade deals with usa and eu? sentiment? you think our current manufactoring cant go the way of the rest of all we had befor? well you might be right but i have too much skin in to gamble, too old to start again
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 12, 2016 18:30:45 GMT
/mod hat on
You are getting perilously close to arguing about it. Just VOTE, and quit trying to convert other folks to your opinion!
p.s. Moved to the chat forum, as I don't see anything SS specific here.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 12, 2016 19:05:37 GMT
Even if the UK votes to remain, the desire to leave will continue to grow throughout Europe forcing the EU to either reform or collapse.
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Post by earthbound on Jun 12, 2016 19:25:28 GMT
Out..
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Post by agent69 on Jun 12, 2016 19:59:50 GMT
If I was 20 years younger I would vote leave because I think the EU is a complete basket case. However, I think it's inevitable that there will be some short / medium term instability in the financial markets if we leave, and that's the last thing I want as I try to consolidate my financial position prior to early retirement.
I'd love to put 2 fingers up to Europe, but I've got a postal vote and it's already gone back with the remain box ticked.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 12, 2016 20:01:32 GMT
Out.
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Post by earthbound on Jun 12, 2016 20:06:43 GMT
If I was 20 years younger I would vote leave because I think the EU is a complete basket case. However, I think it's inevitable that there will be some short / medium term instability in the financial markets if we leave, and that's the last thing I want as I try to consolidate my financial position prior to early retirement. I'd love to put 2 fingers up to Europe, but I've got a postal vote and it's already gone back with the remain box ticked. I fully respect your opinion and accept.. but in your own words... "because I think the EU is a complete basket case." "I'd love to put 2 fingers up to Europe" You can clearly see what they are, and you would clearly love to tell them where to get off. And you voted remain... 
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Post by agent69 on Jun 12, 2016 20:17:29 GMT
If I was 20 years younger I would vote leave because I think the EU is a complete basket case. However, I think it's inevitable that there will be some short / medium term instability in the financial markets if we leave, and that's the last thing I want as I try to consolidate my financial position prior to early retirement. I'd love to put 2 fingers up to Europe, but I've got a postal vote and it's already gone back with the remain box ticked. I fully respect your opinion and accept.. but in your own words... "because I think the EU is a complete basket case." "I'd love to put 2 fingers up to Europe" You can clearly see what they are, and you would clearly love to tell them where to get off. And you voted remain... Lesser of 2 evils I'm afraid
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 12, 2016 23:40:32 GMT
Which ever side of the debate you are on, for a truly jaw dropping insight into something (though I'm not entirely sure what  ) take a look at this poll with 124,000 votes at the time of writing www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/
Even if the eventual national outcome is 50.01% vs 49.99% (either way round, doesn't matter for what I'm about to say) a lot of what I've been reading these last few days is implying we are going to see some fascinating results on a regional basis, and that poll I've linked to may well not be that far off the mark in some regional areas, counter balanced by the opposite in other regional areas. This is in contrast to the AV vote of 2011 where the % against was fairly even throughout the UK. A possible inference from this is that a close result could be harder for the losing side to accept.
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Post by Liz on Jun 12, 2016 23:54:10 GMT
Scotland may keep the rest of the UK in the EU, against its will. Or England and Wales could pull Scotland out of the EU, against its will.
It's likely to be Scotland, London and NI, voting remain, and England(Excl London) & Wales, voting out.
Even if we get a Leave vote, will the EU, and majority MP's, who are pro EU, let us leave easily? I doubt it, especially NI & Scotish MP's.
If we vote Remian, then Leave will cry "foul play" and demand a new referendum before too long.
What ever happens the Tories still need to govern, we still have a lot of problems in this country, and the next few years in politics, will be entertaining.
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Post by sqh on Jun 13, 2016 3:35:50 GMT
Two years ago the opinion polls indicated that Scotland might vote for independence. The 3 main parties made an eleventh hour pledge to keep Scotland in the Union. It seemed to work.
Now the EU referendum opinion polls are suggesting we may vote to leave, I'm expecting a last minute sweetener to the reforms that were agreed in February.
I suspect the UK and EU are having secret talks, while the rest of us are celebrating the Queen at 90, and watching European football.
I even think that if we vote to leave, then the EU will offer extra reforms, and there will be another referendum.
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Post by batchoy on Jun 13, 2016 6:06:01 GMT
There are only four things that we know for certain: - The EU is set on a path of ever closer union.
- The EU is moving more and more to qualified majority voting because of the increased membership.
- The EU is committed to increasing its membership.
- Which ever way the vote goes we will live with the consequences.
The biggest problem that we face is that if the rest of the EU is as vindictive as the remain campaign would have us believe by allowing the referendum Cameron has destroyed possibility of future governments to negotiate opt outs of areas that other EU countries/Eurocrats see as core to the EU. Since if the UK votes to stay in then the result will be held against our negotiators for may years to come as a mandate for the EU and all it stands for. Personally, I have come to the conclusion that just about everything both sides is putting out is so much hot air as nobody can really know, and thus we are down to the four certainties, if you believe in the first three the you vote Remain, if you don't like any one of the first three and regardless of what else you might think of the EU then you vote Leave and rely on the fourth certainty. |
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Post by JamesFrance on Jun 13, 2016 6:35:34 GMT
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) take a look at this poll with 124,000 votes at the time of writing 
