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Post by earthbound on Jun 22, 2016 15:17:49 GMT
I remember maybe, 10 years or more ago, reading a similar article with regards to 'The Salvation Army' , I cant remember the whole article and the facts and figures around incomes, but they were huge, but what i do remember was the claim that only 10p in every pound donated was actually being spent on homeless and vulnerable people.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 22, 2016 15:32:53 GMT
I remember maybe, 10 years or more ago, reading a similar article with regards to 'The Salvation Army' , I cant remember the whole article and the facts and figures around incomes, but they were huge, but what i do remember was the claim that only 10p in every pound donated was actually being spent on homeless and vulnerable people. In the past the Sali Army was my preferred charity but I’m afraid that I no longer donate to it together with a number of other charities as a result of wastage and the salaries earned by some top people who are often members of the elites.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 22, 2016 15:37:14 GMT
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 22, 2016 15:46:12 GMT
For the benefit of any gamblers out there (and very much "mod hat off" )
Remainers: AC Leeds Office block @ 13% (plus minor default interest on missing repayments) has been selling steadily at par over recent days. Just under £14,000 currently available at a 2% discount.
Leavers: Betfair odds for remain vote <=40% are around 50-1 100-1 and for 40-45% around 25-1
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Post by Liz on Jun 22, 2016 17:18:05 GMT
If we Brexit, will anyone start to liquidate anything?
The polls out today have a very tight contest.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 22, 2016 17:32:10 GMT
The former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan takes today’s prize for world class elitist arrogance after making the following statements: 1. “I like the EU because we cannot control EU internal immigration. I love all the vibrant Europeans who have moved here, and the fact I can leave whenever I wish and settle in Lodz or Naples.” So he can leave whenever he wishes, how many ordinary working people can simply move as he describes? The man demonstrates the elites’ total lack of understanding of the lives of millions and displays breathtaking contempt for the majority of the population. Such contempt deserves one response: "Well, b*gger off then mate." 2. “There is one anti-EU argument I detest worse than anything Nigel Farage has ever said. It is the “left wing” argument that immigration depresses wages for British workers. This argument is pure racism. It presupposes that the chance that a British worker might get £10 rather than £9 an hour, is more important than giving a Romanian worker moving here the chance to get £9 an hour rather than £3. Just because one is British and one is Romanian. Racism, pure and simple.” One simple response to that, why should any worker see their earnings reduced as a result of uncontrolled immigration? But then of course £1 an hour or £40 a week, £2000 per annum is small change to people such as Murray. The man’s arrogance and ignorance is unbelievable but is no different to the majority of the rotten and corrupt establishment in the UK currently urging us to remain in an equally rotten EU. www.craigmurray.org.uk/
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Post by ablender on Jun 22, 2016 17:39:34 GMT
Border controlI simply don't see it as a significant issue, we're not part of Schengen. Now you might respond by saying that another EU country could hand out passports willy nilly and as a result we open ourselves to security risk or the potential for increased migration numbers but I have to ask how likely is that, and how material would it be in the scheme of things? Certainly how material would it be when weighed against the benefits of border free travel for 500 million people? What are the benefits of border free travel? So I don't have to queue for half an hour or pay for a visa? I that such a big benefit?Time in a queue is not an issue, neither is the money. What is an issue is a person being treated like a criminal because he or she is asking for a visa. You may not have experienced this. I have. Here in the UK, if someone needs to renew a visa will have to send their passport to the home office and cannot go abroad for a number of months (up to 6 months is not an exaggeration). This is equal to imprisonment. Re housing - I think that the problem is not as much one of money but a "not in my backyard" effect. I can see this around where I live. Proposals for new houses are vehemently opposed by the people living here.
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Post by Jaydee on Jun 22, 2016 18:21:41 GMT
Jaydee we seem to agree on a lot so I'll just pick up on some of the areas where we disagree. Firstly there is a much wider and more complicated discussion to be had about how the EU responds to the refugee crisis. Having said that, focussing just on the points you make on migration:- 1. It is, I think, accepted by both sides that immigration is a net postive for the UK economy. If that's correct your points about benefits are essentially invalid. 2. The vast majority of the "people flooding through southern Europe" are refugees, not economic migrants. 3. Seeing as the majority of these refugees head towards Germany you simply cannot assert that "... whose only purpose is to get to England...." (ignoring the lax benefits point with which I disagree anyway). On border free travel, I don't have the figures to hand but I believe an additional benefit to be had from it is the ease of trading between European nations. I read somewhere recently (The Economist?) that it significantly reduces the costs of trade (eg saves the haulage industry £x billion a year?, and many people in border regions work cross border). That means efficiency, which in nation state terms means increased productivity. And that, absent an increasing population and / or spending less, is the only way in which any country can reduce its national debt. registerme yes I think we do agree on many points but have differing views on others. 1. Controlled immigration is indeed a positive for any country. But it has to be controlled in a way that those newcomers can benefit the country. What we have is uncontrolled immigration. Controlled immigration allows you to plan for a population growth, allowing the required services to be put in place. Uncontrolled immigration results in a heavy burden on housing, health services employment and education. Uncontrolled immigration impacts on the benefit system, whether it be housing benefit, childcare funding, unemployment benefits or tax credits. 2. It is clear from the unbiased reports that the majority of the people flooding through southern Europe are indeed economic migrants. There is a percentage of "true" refugees but they are in the minority. True refugees would happily settle in the first safe haven they arrived in. Unfortunately what we see are masses of young, well fed young men desperately keen to reach northern Europe and England, driven on by the state welfare system. 3. Whilst accepting that my point of England being the goal of the majority of immigrants may not be correct, I still maintain that our lax benefit system is a magnet for the multitude heading to northern Europe. I'm sorry but I can not understand how you think border free travel saves the UK haulage industry money.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 22, 2016 18:54:46 GMT
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Post by earthbound on Jun 22, 2016 19:32:13 GMT
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jun 22, 2016 19:34:15 GMT
Is it possible to see a graph of this poll over time. It seems to me that the exit lead is decreasing (as a percentage).
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Post by earthbound on Jun 22, 2016 19:38:34 GMT
And i did.. in Wither-spoons.. with a pint perched on these pertinent beer mats
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 22, 2016 19:47:55 GMT
On the 24th we will be able to invite other countries to apply to join the United Kingdom........a sort of reverse take-over
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Post by earthbound on Jun 22, 2016 19:51:09 GMT
On the 24th we will be able to invite other countries to apply to join the United Kingdom........a sort of reverse take-over And charge them.. a billion a year.. woo hoo we're rich.. or will be on friday morning, hopefully.. fingers crossed.. polls not lookin good tho.
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skippyonspeed
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 22, 2016 19:54:33 GMT
On the 24th we will be able to invite other countries to apply to join the United Kingdom........a sort of reverse take-over And charge them.. a billion a year.. woo hoo we're rich.. or will be on friday morning, hopefully.. fingers crossed.. polls not lookin good tho. Wish I'd thought of it earlier.......it could've been a clincher
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