skippyonspeed
Some people think I'm a little bit crazy, but I know my mind's not hazy
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 23, 2016 9:44:57 GMT
Leave odds 4/1 Remain odds 1/6
I think Scotland are having a tantrum after losing their ref.........their Leave odds 12/1 Remain odds 1/50
I'm off out now to bet vote....but 4/1 on a 50:50 result where everyone still seems unsure of the outcome is excellent value IMO
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 23, 2016 10:05:39 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 23, 2016 11:25:38 GMT
From the BBC live page:
10.19 Jeremy Corbyn votes in the referendum
Accompanied by picture
My question: but which way ? :-)
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skippyonspeed
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 23, 2016 11:32:37 GMT
From the BBC live page: 10.19 Jeremy Corbyn votes in the referendum Accompanied by picture My question: but which way ? :-) I'm upset, you didn't ask me, and my vote is worth the same as his!!!!!!
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 23, 2016 11:38:43 GMT
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 23, 2016 11:47:05 GMT
Just waiting for reports of a national Tippex shortage! 
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skippyonspeed
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 23, 2016 11:51:36 GMT
Just waiting for reports of a national Tippex shortage! Not necessary, all they have to do is stick a "X" in the other box
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 23, 2016 14:55:59 GMT
Looking forward to seeing what the chancer Johnson does after losing his leadership gamble tonight. He won't be content to be a back bench MP long-term.
He had a good deal of trouble deciding he was anti Europe at the start of the referendum, so I doubt that he would continue to make a stand on that. But if he was to try to lead a break away faction from the Tory party, I can't see on what political issues he would choose to define himself. He doesn't seem to have a distinct ideological position on anything. Or any passion for anything in particular. Apart from the lovely ladies.
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Post by pikestaff on Jun 23, 2016 15:34:50 GMT
Looking forward to seeing what the chancer Johnson does after losing his leadership gamble tonight... As opposed to Chancer Dave, who got us into this mess? I hope you are right. It's well worth reading Margaret Thatcher's speech on referenda www.margaretthatcher.org/document/102649
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 23, 2016 15:46:19 GMT
Good quote, Mr. P. It undermines the representative democracy if you are also going to resort to simple majoritarianism to stop up splits in your party.
The future of the leave campaign if it doesn't work out for them tonight is to back a political party which would leave the EU by act of parliament, having been elected to office on that platform.
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 23, 2016 15:53:33 GMT
Looking forward to seeing what the chancer Johnson does after losing his leadership gamble tonight. He won't be content to be a back bench MP long-term. He had a good deal of trouble deciding he was anti Europe at the start of the referendum, so I doubt that he would continue to make a stand on that. But if he was to try to lead a break away faction from the Tory party, I can't see on what political issues he would choose to define himself. He doesn't seem to have a distinct ideological position on anything. Or any passion for anything in particular. Apart from the lovely ladies. Sorry, disagree.
During Boris's watch at City Hall his transport initiatives whilst being controversial to some (many ?), have benefited London. Scrapping the western congestion charge zone, backing out of the disastrous public-private partnership (PPP) contracts on the underground, removing bendy busses that caused grid lock in the West End, getting the north London line modernised as part of London overground. OK the cable car was a daft idea, and the garden bridge is no better, but the latter is mainly supported by labour leaning celebrities. It is being rumoured that if remain win, Boris will be offered Transport Secretary in an autumn reshuffle by Cameron ... which will be an interesting challenge for Boris given his opposition to Heathrow expansion.
Boris had less success with housing policy during his time in City Hall, but that is a far tougher brief than transport as policy is split between city hall and the boroughs and rarely do the two agree. That said Boris did contribute to finally getting Nine Elms area of London including Battersea Power station redeveloped.
This isn't a party political broadcast, as Ken before Boris also had a significant impact on London generally for the better, along with the occasional mishaps (have I mentioned bendy buses ?), and I'm sure after 8 years of Sadiq Khan we'll be able to look back and see a positive impact. London (and the other major cities) need a mayor to provide a high level focus on key areas of local infrastructure, and after 16 years of Ken and Boris in London the changes for the better are undeniable.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jun 23, 2016 16:02:13 GMT
Looking forward to seeing what the chancer Johnson does after losing his leadership gamble tonight. He won't be content to be a back bench MP long-term. English devolution?
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 23, 2016 16:05:14 GMT
But mrclondon, how does any of these successes define any kind of distinct ideology?
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 23, 2016 16:22:32 GMT
But mrclondon, how does any of these successes define any kind of distinct ideology? I understand the point you are trying to make, and to an extent I agree - Boris is likely to make a much better Transport Secretary than Prime Minister.
What I disagreed with in the connection of your original post was the implication that his leadership ambitions are over if remain win. Boris's successes with the City Hall transport brief in particular have demonstrated he has leadership ability, and Cameron will want him in government in one of the more important ministries. IMO Boris will be a strong contender to be in the last 2 of the ballot for next PM in 2018 (alongside May probably), and its up to to the conservative party associations who they pick out of those two.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 23, 2016 16:52:43 GMT
But mrclondon, how does any of these successes define any kind of distinct ideology? I understand the point you are trying to make, and to an extent I agree - Boris is likely to make a much better Transport Secretary than Prime Minister.
What I disagreed with in the connection of your original post was the implication that his leadership ambitions are over if remain win. Boris's successes with the City Hall transport brief in particular have demonstrated he has leadership ability, and Cameron will want him in government in one of the more important ministries. IMO Boris will be a strong contender to be in the last 2 of the ballot for next PM in 2018 (alongside May probably), and its up to to the conservative party associations who they pick out of those two.
I agree that that's logical if politics returns to "normal". But far from smoothing away a schism in the Conservative Party, the referendum will have exacerbated it. There is an alternative future where a person in Boris's position leads breakaway to form a new party to the right, aimed at harnessing the brexit momentum into a platform to leave the EU by parliamentary fiat. I think you're right,more transport secretary than the new Oswald Mosley. But would he settle for that?
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