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Post by lb on Jun 24, 2016 11:46:04 GMT
democracy is voting in people who are thereafter obligated to take these decisions in our best interests having researched, understood and assessed the decision. the people we voted in (by a very large majority) do not agree with your view. so, yes, so much for democracy! "democracy is voting in people who are thereafter obligated to take these decisions in our best interests having researched, understood and assessed the decision." - I understand that. "the people we voted in (by a very large majority) do not agree with your view." I don't understand that, who did we vote in by a very large majority? we voted in 650 MP's - the vast majority of those 650 took the unambiguous view that Remain was the correct choice. We got Leave. That sucks and is not democracy - its stupidity
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 24, 2016 11:53:21 GMT
Out of all the experts, market makers, polls, and bookmakers our poll was one of the very few who got it right. Well done our small band of brothers and sisters. More often than not, today’s so called “Experts” are highly paid individuals doing non-essential jobs whose pronouncements are usually wrong.
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Post by locutus on Jun 24, 2016 11:53:42 GMT
"democracy is voting in people who are thereafter obligated to take these decisions in our best interests having researched, understood and assessed the decision." - I understand that. "the people we voted in (by a very large majority) do not agree with your view." I don't understand that, who did we vote in by a very large majority? we voted in 650 MP's - the vast majority of those 650 took the unambiguous view that Remain was the correct choice. We got Leave. That sucks and is not democracy - its stupidity You heard it here first folks. Referendums are not democratic. First Past the Post is much fairer. 12.7% of the electorate being represented by a single MP whilst 4.7% of the electorate somehow getting 56 MPs is much fairer. Honestly, have you even read what you've written? It doesn't make sense on any level.
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Post by registerme on Jun 24, 2016 11:55:01 GMT
Understandably emotions are running high at the moment, so just a gentle reminder to all to play nice.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 24, 2016 11:56:20 GMT
"democracy is voting in people who are thereafter obligated to take these decisions in our best interests having researched, understood and assessed the decision." - I understand that. "the people we voted in (by a very large majority) do not agree with your view." I don't understand that, who did we vote in by a very large majority? we voted in 650 MP's - the vast majority of those 650 took the unambiguous view that Remain was the correct choice. We got Leave. That sucks and is not democracy - its stupidity I believe as it is a leap into unknown territory the decision to allow us to decide was correct decision.
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Post by batchoy on Jun 24, 2016 12:02:04 GMT
"democracy is voting in people who are thereafter obligated to take these decisions in our best interests having researched, understood and assessed the decision." - I understand that. "the people we voted in (by a very large majority) do not agree with your view." I don't understand that, who did we vote in by a very large majority? we voted in 650 MP's - the vast majority of those 650 took the unambiguous view that Remain was the correct choice. We got Leave. That sucks and is not democracy - its stupidity No its not stupidity, it is the fact that in 40 years we have never been asked the question about the EU or any of the changes to EU as all the parties were pro-EU and MPs have used Parliamentary Sovereignty as a reason not to ask us until UKIP came along, and in the General Election people were voting on who based on the manifestos was the least worst party they wanted to govern the country for 5 years which is about a lot more than EU membership.
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Post by lb on Jun 24, 2016 12:29:15 GMT
we voted in 650 MP's - the vast majority of those 650 took the unambiguous view that Remain was the correct choice. We got Leave. That sucks and is not democracy - its stupidity You heard it here first folks. Referendums are not democratic. First Past the Post is much fairer. 12.7% of the electorate being represented by a single MP whilst 4.7% of the electorate somehow getting 56 MPs is much fairer. Honestly, have you even read what you've written? It doesn't make sense on any level. Don't worry your little head about it - keep talking about FPTP or whatever ...
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 24, 2016 12:29:45 GMT
"democracy is voting in people who are thereafter obligated to take these decisions in our best interests having researched, understood and assessed the decision." - I understand that. "the people we voted in (by a very large majority) do not agree with your view." I don't understand that, who did we vote in by a very large majority? we voted in 650 MP's - the vast majority of those 650 took the unambiguous view that Remain was the correct choice. We got Leave. That sucks and is not democracy - its stupidity With respect, I think that you misunderstand the concept of democracy, it literally means, rule by the people. www.britannica.com/topic/democracyThe 2 MP’s in my council area both supported Remain yet a majority of over 12000 voted to Leave in the referendum therefore our MP's do not represent the views of a majority of their constituents, how can that be democratic? I call that a democratic deficit.
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Post by lb on Jun 24, 2016 12:31:02 GMT
we voted in 650 MP's - the vast majority of those 650 took the unambiguous view that Remain was the correct choice. We got Leave. That sucks and is not democracy - its stupidity I believe as it is a leap into unknown territory the decision to allow us to decide was correct decision. How is staying in the EU (which is what MP's overwhelmingly believed was best) a leap into the unknown?
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Post by locutus on Jun 24, 2016 12:33:07 GMT
You heard it here first folks. Referendums are not democratic. First Past the Post is much fairer. 12.7% of the electorate being represented by a single MP whilst 4.7% of the electorate somehow getting 56 MPs is much fairer. Honestly, have you even read what you've written? It doesn't make sense on any level. Don't worry your little head about it - keep talking about FPTP or whatever ... When faced with facts, you retort with arrogant insults. Nice. There is such a thing as being gracious in defeat you know.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 24, 2016 12:34:32 GMT
How is staying in the EU (which is what MP's overwhelmingly believed was best) That is exactly why Leave won. MP’s, elites, celebrities etc. are often out of touch and therefore do not necessarily know what is best for the majority of the electorate let alone represent their views.
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Post by lb on Jun 24, 2016 12:43:24 GMT
Don't worry your little head about it - keep talking about FPTP or whatever ... When faced with facts, you retort with arrogant insults. Nice. There is such a thing as being gracious in defeat you know. I didn't lose anything - maybe one day you will comprehend what you lost today I am just making some general points which you have demonstrated lack of ability to understand, yet want to attack me for, so I said don't worry about it Have a great independence day 
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 24, 2016 12:43:41 GMT
Why are we having this pointless discussion on MPs knowing best again?
Those same MPs made the decision overwhelmingly (even more than were pro-Remain) to allow a referendum for the people to make the decision, the people came to a decision, the government and MPs will now work to carry out that decision.
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Post by jonno on Jun 24, 2016 12:44:05 GMT
That is exactly why Leave won. MP’s, elites, celebrities etc. are often out of touch and therefore do not necessarily know what is best for the majority of the electorate let alone represent their views. Yes, and they don't have to live in the most affected areas or chase the most affected employment opportunities.
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Post by lb on Jun 24, 2016 12:45:54 GMT
Why are we having this pointless discussion on MPs knowing best again? Those same MPs made the decision overwhelmingly (even more than were pro-Remain) to allow a referendum for the people to make the decision, the people came to a decision, the government and MPs will now work to carry out that decision. That is totally incorrect. Conservative party manifesto provided for a referendum hence it happened as no other party (exepct for UKIP) wanted it
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