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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 24, 2016 20:41:01 GMT
I have read 8 Brexit impact statements today from P2P/P2B platforms. Ranging from the first on my emailmat this morning which was a thorough, professional, and interesting analysis from AC covering the macro situation and direct effect on the business to a rather more tardy "well it will be good and bad but we're going to carry on as usual" brief note from another platform. I was going to ask whether you were going to name and shame, but having gone to my 'Promotions' folder to see why the hell I haven't spotted these, I think I can see who issued the latter. Should I be worried that's the platform I have the most exposure to ? (rhetorical question).
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2016 21:09:20 GMT
If I was being absurdly and naively optimistic I'd suggest that there is an awful lot of common ground between the left wing / remain camp in the Tory party, the right wing remain camp in the Labour party, and the Lib Dems. Perhaps more common ground than between left and right and leave and remain Tories, and their equivalents in Labour. With UKIP continuing to hoover up the disillusioned (at least until they fail to deliver on Brexit promises). Time for a new SDP? I'd agree - but with UKIP (who've achieved their entire raison d'etre now, so might as well disband) having a lot of common ground with the right-wing/leave Tories. I can see Labour splitting ("old"/"new"), the Tories splitting, and a coalition era starting.
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Post by uncletone on Jun 24, 2016 21:10:12 GMT
I have received a reassuring email from my wine club, which trumps many other emails.  |
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2016 21:11:02 GMT
When do we get the emergency budget? That went when Cameron resigned.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2016 21:12:19 GMT
Has anyone seen or heard anything from Gideon today? Strange, isn't it, how everybody seems to think that Osbourne should be referred to by his first name, rather than the middle name he uses, but nobody ever did that with Cameron's predecessor in number 10... James Gordon Brown.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 24, 2016 21:12:46 GMT
to a rather more tardy "well it will be good and bad but we're going to carry on as usual" brief note from another platform. Late and Curt?
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Post by pepperpot on Jun 24, 2016 21:19:06 GMT
to a rather more tardy "well it will be good and bad but we're going to carry on as usual" brief note from another platform. Late and Curt? There's Cheese involved.
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Post by ablender on Jun 24, 2016 21:59:50 GMT
Why do you say it is an old petition? It is current and signatures are still being added. If you look at the numbers they are increasing as I write. It's currently the 24th and the end date is 25 November. So just the day number says it's got to be at a minimum almost a month old already. All petitions run for six months so you can do a bit of date mathematics to work out when it started. But just get the json data and you will see this near to the start: "created_at":"2016-05-23T23:39:38.957Z" . So it's from 23 May. So rather than an attempt to try a keep on voting until the desired result is obtained that shows that it was an attempt to rig the referendum so that about half of the remain voters could force a failure by just not voting, preventing the 75% requirement from being reached, even if all of the others did vote.. If a rerun is good for Nigel Farage why do you think that it is not good for Remain? If you want more info google it. In the meantime there is an ever increasing demand for a second referendum.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 24, 2016 22:12:50 GMT
It's currently the 24th and the end date is 25 November. So just the day number says it's got to be at a minimum almost a month old already. All petitions run for six months so you can do a bit of date mathematics to work out when it started. But just get the json data and you will see this near to the start: "created_at":"2016-05-23T23:39:38.957Z" . So it's from 23 May. So rather than an attempt to try a keep on voting until the desired result is obtained that shows that it was an attempt to rig the referendum so that about half of the remain voters could force a failure by just not voting, preventing the 75% requirement from being reached, even if all of the others did vote.. If a rerun is good for Nigel Farage why do you think that it is not good for Remain? If you want more info google it. In the meantime there is an ever increasing demand for a second referendum. What is the point of having a referendum if the sore losers want a re-run every time.......how many referenda must we have before they shut up!!
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 24, 2016 22:30:59 GMT
It's currently the 24th and the end date is 25 November. So just the day number says it's got to be at a minimum almost a month old already. All petitions run for six months so you can do a bit of date mathematics to work out when it started. But just get the json data and you will see this near to the start: "created_at":"2016-05-23T23:39:38.957Z" . So it's from 23 May. So rather than an attempt to try a keep on voting until the desired result is obtained that shows that it was an attempt to rig the referendum so that about half of the remain voters could force a failure by just not voting, preventing the 75% requirement from being reached, even if all of the others did vote.. If a rerun is good for Nigel Farage why do you think that it is not good for Remain? If you want more info google it. In the meantime there is an ever increasing demand for a second referendum. Of course we should have another referendum. We went for years without any, we therefore have a lot of ground to make up on Switzerland. So we should have lots of them. Prime candidates right now are: 1. A re-run of the supposedly put to bed but evidently not now referendum on Scottish independence. Significant grounds on the basis that a key element of the arguements in the prior one were that the safe root for Scotland to remain in the EU was to be latched to the UK. 2. Vote on whether NI should become part of a United ireland on the grounds that NI voted to stay in, and the impact of exit on them given the dependence on EU internal cross border trade is so high. 3. Vote on whether Gibralter thinks it's now time to defy its historical fervent passion for being affiliated to the UK or whether it's time to become a protectorate or similar of Spain, or have shared sovereignty, or become independent and apply for EU membership in its own right; now that the UK has effectively ignored its interest.* 4. Vote on whether Wales and England should stick together in solidarity as the two entities that voted to leave, or whether given the historical animosity or at least distrust between them, they should also split apart. After all, two states separately represented in negotiations with other powers or world bodies must surely carry more weight individually than a single larger one. Even if they are singing from different hymn sheets. Actually, only one will be singing from a hymn sheet, the other will likely be singing something like "Vindaloo....". *I only watched the very early part of yesterday's "historical" events, but they did at least start with a magical high point in broadcaster insight. As the first return, with something like a 95-5 split (if I recall) came in from Gib, the presenter, with naff all else to grab onto, asked whether anything could be concluded/extrapolated from that.....I was just dying or the 'expert' to respond: "they have a border with Spain". I thought that pause, "no" wasn't terribly inventive.
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 24, 2016 23:07:19 GMT
If a rerun is good for Nigel Farage why do you think that it is not good for Remain? If you want more info google it. In the meantime there is an ever increasing demand for a second referendum. Of course we should have another referendum. We went for years without any, we therefore have a lot of ground to make up on Switzerland. So we should have lots of them. Prime candidates right now are: 1. A re-run of the supposedly put to bed but evidently not now referendum on Scottish independence. Significant grounds on the basis that a key element of the arguements in the prior one were that the safe root for Scotland to remain in the EU was to be latched to the UK. 2. Vote on whether NI should become part of a United ireland on the grounds that NI voted to stay in, and the impact of exit on them given the dependence on EU internal cross border trade is so high. 3. Vote on whether Gibralter thinks it's now time to defy its historical fervent passion for being affiliated to the UK or whether it's time to become a protectorate or similar of Spain, or have shared sovereignty, or become independent and apply for EU membership in its own right; now that the UK has effectively ignored its interest.* 4. Vote on whether Wales and England should stick together in solidarity as the two entities that voted to leave, or whether given the historical animosity or at least distrust between them, they should also split apart. After all, two states separately represented in negotiations with other powers or world bodies must surely carry more weight individually than a single larger one. Even if they are singing from different hymn sheets. Actually, only one will be singing from a hymn sheet, the other will likely be singing something like "Vindaloo....". *I only watched the very early part of yesterday's "historical" events, but they did at least start with a magical high point in broadcaster insight. As the first return, with something like a 95-5 split (if I recall) came in from Gib, the presenter, with naff all else to grab onto, asked whether anything could be concluded/extrapolated from that.....I was just dying or the 'expert' to respond: "they have a border with Spain". I thought that pause, "no" wasn't terribly inventive. Dont forget the one on whether London wants to become part of Scotland as both were heavy Remain And that old favourite on some or all forms of PR (One from Caroline Lucas that)
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 24, 2016 23:15:06 GMT
It's currently the 24th and the end date is 25 November. So just the day number says it's got to be at a minimum almost a month old already. All petitions run for six months so you can do a bit of date mathematics to work out when it started. But just get the json data and you will see this near to the start: "created_at":"2016-05-23T23:39:38.957Z" . So it's from 23 May. So rather than an attempt to try a keep on voting until the desired result is obtained that shows that it was an attempt to rig the referendum so that about half of the remain voters could force a failure by just not voting, preventing the 75% requirement from being reached, even if all of the others did vote.. If a rerun is good for Nigel Farage why do you think that it is not good for Remain? If you want more info google it. In the meantime there is an ever increasing demand for a second referendum. Ah the old EU gambit - 'is that your final answer? Silly me, of course it isnt, why dont you have another go, and do try & get right this time, there's a good chap!' 'Oh & just to help you we're going to change the rules, arent we nice!' 
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 24, 2016 23:27:42 GMT
Perhaps if we have a re-run they should print an "X" in the right box for us.........then we wouldn't have to waste our time going to a polling station and hundreds of people sorting and counting etc.
Edit option 2.....only print 1 box on the ballot paper, 'cos 2 boxes is giving 52% of us too many options and getting us all confused
Edit 2 option 3.........print 2 boxes both marked "Remain".....blah blah blah
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Post by jevans4949 on Jun 25, 2016 0:00:11 GMT
How about a referendum in Spain on whether they want to affiliate to Gibraltar? Make it easier for their nurses to come and work for the NHS, and they could offload the healthcare costs of all the retired Brits living out there.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 25, 2016 6:31:42 GMT
If a rerun is good for Nigel Farage why do you think that it is not good for Remain? If you want more info google it. In the meantime there is an ever increasing demand for a second referendum. Ah the old EU gambit - 'is that your final answer? Silly me, of course it isnt, why dont you have another go, and do try & get right this time, there's a good chap!' 'Oh & just to help you we're going to change the rules, arent we nice!' Mmm. 52:48? Terrible. Second referendum would be needed. Unfinished business. Said Nigel, a month ago... www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017
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