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Post by Jaydee on Jun 25, 2016 10:07:11 GMT
This referendum has only happened because of Farridge and UKIP. If not for them, we would not be here now. So if you're a Leave supporter, then you not only DO have an interest in his politics and position, but you should be thanking him. I believe he was merely a catalyst, we may have had to wait a few more years, but dissatisfaction in the EU and the way it is heading has been building here for years, it DOES not make me a UKIP supporter. As has been said earlier, UKIP 's and Farridge's reason for being was to achieve a withdrawal from the EU. Now that process is starting, there is no reason for them to remain. Will they all now resign? I wonder how many people are now wishing that they had voted Remain?
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 25, 2016 10:24:55 GMT
As I said in previous a post Farage would make a great PM......Pub Minister that is. His job to get rid of all foul those tasting fashionable foreign lager beers that have to be served so cold so as to numb your taste buds to make 'em drinkable, and in the bottle to show off the label and thus your "coolness". To be replaced by Great British real ales  |
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Post by adrianc on Jun 25, 2016 10:34:37 GMT
As I said in previous a post Farage would make a great PM......Pub Minister that is. His job to get rid of all foul those tasting fashionable foreign lager beers that have to be served so cold so as to numb your taste buds to make 'em drinkable, and in the bottle to show off the label and thus your "coolness". To be replaced by Great British real ales I'll drink to that! Cheers! (There'll be a Butty Bach or three at the village fete this afternoon)
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Post by agent69 on Jun 25, 2016 10:52:20 GMT
One fascinating (for me  ) sub-story on todays events concerns Jeremy Corbyn.
The only man that could make Michael Foot look smart. Jeremy Corbyn aides deny leader to resign www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36628305
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 25, 2016 11:01:03 GMT
The only man that could make Michael Foot look smart. Jeremy Corbyn aides deny leader to resign Nah! Sir Bob Geldolf would do a far better job
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 25, 2016 11:44:53 GMT
A number of posts here imply that Farage / UKIP have much diminished relevance to national politics now we have voted to leave the EU. Until the UK actually withdraws from the EU in 2018 ( ? ) UKIP are still very relevant as a potential existential threat to both labour and tory MP's who fail to take the business of negotiating our exit seriously, and put in place policies that match the new reality. If we have a GE in 2017 to cement in the new tory leader then I expect UKIP will still contest much the same number of seats they did in 2015, although will probably not contest many of the leave campaign mp's seats. However if the general election isn't until 2020 (or at 2017 + 5) it is indeed probable that UKIP will be irrelevant.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 25, 2016 13:15:41 GMT
As I said in previous a post Farage would make a great PM......Pub Minister that is. His job to get rid of all foul those tasting fashionable foreign lager beers that have to be served so cold so as to numb your taste buds to make 'em drinkable, and in the bottle to show off the label and thus your "coolness". To be replaced by Great British real ales but would he be one of those PMs who ends up drinking all the profits ? Possibly after counting them twice, or perhaps through misunderstanding the difference between gross and net.
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Post by Liz on Jun 25, 2016 13:22:09 GMT
It only needed 100k signatures for a parliamentary debate. I voted Remain. I think the country has made a monumentally stupid decision, and shot ourselves firmly in the foot. Stupid on what grounds, economically? Well I think this was more bout immigration than economics. It is also true that those in poor areas(IDS on the night talked about high turnover on council estates) that voted Leave, they really didn't care if stocks fall(they dont have savings), house prices crashed(often they are in council rents), or if we have a slightly lower economic growth, because lower earners don't think(rightly or wrongly) that they benefit from growth, and that the rich are getting richer and everyone else is staying the same. I'm sure also, after witnessing that the sun didn't fall, no emergency budget etc, that some Remain voters would be confident enough that the scare stories were overblown, to vote Leave. I still hear some Remain voters that talk of financial armageddon.
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Post by Liz on Jun 25, 2016 13:35:46 GMT
This referendum has only happened because of Farridge and UKIP. If not for them, we would not be here now. So if you're a Leave supporter, then you not only DO have an interest in his politics and position, but you should be thanking him. I believe he was merely a catalyst, we may have had to wait a few more years, but dissatisfaction in the EU and the way it is heading has been building here for years, it DOES not make me a UKIP supporter. Without Farage, Cameron wouldn't have offered the referendum vote. If Cameron hadn't offered the referendum vote, he knew, UKIP would win a lot of votes from the Tories and they would be nowhere near power. Without a referendum in the long term, UKIP would have just have gone from strength to strength. Long term the country needs proportional representation, because politics is so regionalised and FPTP isn't working.
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Post by Liz on Jun 25, 2016 13:51:13 GMT
A number of posts here imply that Farage / UKIP have much diminished relevance to national politics now we have voted to leave the EU. Until the UK actually withdraws from the EU in 2018 ( ? ) UKIP are still very relevant as a potential existential threat to both labour and tory MP's who fail to take the business of negotiating our exit seriously, and put in place policies that match the new reality. If we have a GE in 2017 to cement in the new tory leader then I expect UKIP will still contest much the same number of seats they did in 2015, although will probably not contest many of the leave campaign mp's seats. However if the general election isn't until 2020 (or at 2017 + 5) it is indeed probable that UKIP will be irrelevant. If UKIP were to become irrelevant, then I see turnover at a GE, to fall below 50%. The Tories would also easily win every GE for a long time, as Leavers would return. On a second referendum; Firstly I think an above 50% threshold is wrong for a monumental, irreversible decision. So if you set a majority vote wins, then you need to live with that, and can't demand another referendum, because it was close.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 25, 2016 16:37:42 GMT
People have been complaining that the Leave result was caused by the older voters ......... I believe that to be true, 'cos they remember how the thin end of the wedge was given to them in '70s and those that voted in to Europe have regretted it ever since -: *"By the time Mr Heath came to launch his own, successful application to‘enter Europe’ in 1970, he was already well versed in how to pretend that it was something other than what it was. Over the next five years, up to the time of the referendum in 1975, Parliament and the British people were incessantly assured that entry into the Common Market was simply a matter of trade and jobs. In no way would the British way of life be changed or Britain’s right to run her own affairs curtailed." I voted no then because at the time to me it sounded to good to be true. I've had to sit back over the last 40 years and watch successive Governments give more and more of our country away, so yes I am overjoyed that us "oldies" have got our country back so OUR kids can have a proper say in their future not a few dregs thrown to them by Europe. Perhaps not this generation but the next will be able to say in the end it was the right decision. I really hope so. Whether we have lost too much in all those years to get back on track, I don't know. *The above is a small extract from this link |
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Post by ablender on Jun 25, 2016 16:53:47 GMT
A number of posts here imply that Farage / UKIP have much diminished relevance to national politics now we have voted to leave the EU. Until the UK actually withdraws from the EU in 2018 ( ? ) UKIP are still very relevant as a potential existential threat to both labour and tory MP's who fail to take the business of negotiating our exit seriously, and put in place policies that match the new reality. If we have a GE in 2017 to cement in the new tory leader then I expect UKIP will still contest much the same number of seats they did in 2015, although will probably not contest many of the leave campaign mp's seats. However if the general election isn't until 2020 (or at 2017 + 5) it is indeed probable that UKIP will be irrelevant. If UKIP were to become irrelevant, then I see turnover at a GE, to fall below 50%. The Tories would also easily win every GE for a long time, as Leavers would return. On a second referendum; Firstly I think an above 50% threshold is wrong for a monumental, irreversible decision. So if you set a majority vote wins, then you need to live with that, and can't demand another referendum, because it was close. Very close to 2 million signatures now. I do not think that this is irrelevant - not a small percentage since this is larger than the difference that voted UK to leave EU.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 25, 2016 17:17:05 GMT
If UKIP were to become irrelevant, then I see turnover at a GE, to fall below 50%. The Tories would also easily win every GE for a long time, as Leavers would return. On a second referendum; Firstly I think an above 50% threshold is wrong for a monumental, irreversible decision. So if you set a majority vote wins, then you need to live with that, and can't demand another referendum, because it was close. Very close to 2 million signatures now. I do not think that this is irrelevant - not a small percentage since this is larger than the difference that voted UK to leave EU. That may be so..........but there does not appear to be a place for people against it......so a '1 sided vote' and still a small percentage of the total electorate.
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Post by ablender on Jun 25, 2016 17:25:15 GMT
Very close to 2 million signatures now. I do not think that this is irrelevant - not a small percentage since this is larger than the difference that voted UK to leave EU. That may be so..........but there does not appear to be a place for people against it......so a '1 sided vote' and still a small percentage of the total electorate. That is how petitions are structured. I thought you knew. It will be in parliament that the two sides will meet.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 25, 2016 17:36:44 GMT
That may be so..........but there does not appear to be a place for people against it......so a '1 sided vote' and still a small percentage of the total electorate. That is how petitions are structured. I thought you knew. It will be in parliament that the two sides will meet. Just my SOH, I thought you might have realized ps which way did you vote in 1975?
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) sub-story on todays events concerns Jeremy Corbyn. 
