ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 17, 2016 11:43:39 GMT
This referendum is complete joke. It was only done because Cameron wanted to pacify his right wingers. When he did it, he clearly thought there was not a hope in hell the vote would be for Brexit. Well that looks like it could now backfire. MP's are elected to make the sensible decisions that the electorate are ill equipped/educated to do. MP's overwhelmingly support Remain. The referendum vote is NOT binding. MP's will still vote to Remain if it is a close call (40/60). BREXIT AINT HAPPENING!! Im sure Chilcott wont be happy he's been wasting his time investigating the desicion made by all those sensible well equiped educated MPs which hoi polloi opposed in their ignorance 
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Post by lb on Jun 17, 2016 11:54:12 GMT
This referendum is complete joke. It was only done because Cameron wanted to pacify his right wingers. When he did it, he clearly thought there was not a hope in hell the vote would be for Brexit. Well that looks like it could now backfire. MP's are elected to make the sensible decisions that the electorate are ill equipped/educated to do. MP's overwhelmingly support Remain. The referendum vote is NOT binding. MP's will still vote to Remain if it is a close call (40/60). BREXIT AINT HAPPENING!! Im sure Chilcott wont be happy he's been wasting his time investigating the desicion made by all those sensible well equiped educated MPs which hoi polloi opposed in their ignorance If MP's are more or less evenly divided then a referendum is right. When MP's on all sides of the spectrum (save a few that so clearly have ulterior motives) are so heavily on one side, a referendum is ridiculous. Do we really prefer Init Mate from Essex, or Mad Forit from Manchester to decide our future? 
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 17, 2016 12:04:46 GMT
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Post by lb on Jun 17, 2016 12:08:36 GMT
Whether you like it or not every single "racist" in this country is voting for brexit - make of that whatever you want RIP Jo Cox
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Steerpike
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Post by Steerpike on Jun 17, 2016 12:13:06 GMT
Im sure Chilcott wont be happy he's been wasting his time investigating the desicion made by all those sensible well equiped educated MPs which hoi polloi opposed in their ignorance If MP's are more or less evenly divided then a referendum is right. When MP's on all sides of the spectrum (save a few that so clearly have ulterior motives) are so heavily on one side, a referendum is ridiculous. Do we really prefer Init Mate from Essex, or Mad Forit from Manchester to decide our future? That seems to be an argument against democracy, the system where 2 idiots outvote a genius, come to think of it perhaps we need to improve the quality of the electorate, now how can we do that...
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Post by lb on Jun 17, 2016 12:23:39 GMT
If MP's are more or less evenly divided then a referendum is right. When MP's on all sides of the spectrum (save a few that so clearly have ulterior motives) are so heavily on one side, a referendum is ridiculous. Do we really prefer Init Mate from Essex, or Mad Forit from Manchester to decide our future? That seems to be an argument against democracy, the system where 2 idiots outvote a genius, come to think of it perhaps we need to improve the quality of the electorate, now how can we do that... no it is arguing that democratically elected individuals should make the important decisions where an acceptable level of intelligence is needed the "idiots" should not have voted in the "genius" if they dont accept the decisions made by said "genius"
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 17, 2016 12:24:50 GMT
MP's are elected to make the sensible decisions that the electorate are ill equipped/educated to do. MP's overwhelmingly support Remain. I would agree that some of the electorate are ill equipped / educated to make decisions about their own situation, finance for example, let alone matters of state and you’re certainly correct in saying that “MP's are elected to make the sensible decisions” but to suggest that they always know better than the voter is a sneering and condescending comment typical of the vested interests and liberal elites supporting Remain.
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Post by lb on Jun 17, 2016 12:32:36 GMT
MP's are elected to make the sensible decisions that the electorate are ill equipped/educated to do. MP's overwhelmingly support Remain. I would agree that some of the electorate are ill equipped / educated to make decisions about their own situation, finance for example, let alone matters of state and you’re certainly correct in saying that “MP's are elected to make the sensible decisions” but to suggest that they always know better than the voter is a sneering and condescending comment typical of the vested interests and liberal elites supporting Remain. "they" constitute 365 individuals, each democratically elected. Cumulatively they will always know better than the population on average - I don't think anyone seriously believes otherwise. If it sounds sneering and condescending it's probably just because you don't actually understand what I said.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 17, 2016 12:34:08 GMT
Whether you like it or not every single "racist" in this country is voting for brexit - make of that whatever you want RIP Jo Cox And every self seeking member of the elites with their snouts in the trough are voting to remain.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 17, 2016 12:34:15 GMT
BREAKING NEWS Corbyn resigns, position untenable, majority of genius Labour MPs didnt support him, only elected because of 'idiots' votes Other news MPS overwhelmingly vote for massive pay rise, electorate relieved they dont have to think about such complicated decisions  |
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 17, 2016 12:37:43 GMT
I would agree that some of the electorate are ill equipped / educated to make decisions about their own situation, finance for example, let alone matters of state and you’re certainly correct in saying that “MP's are elected to make the sensible decisions” but to suggest that they always know better than the voter is a sneering and condescending comment typical of the vested interests and liberal elites supporting Remain. "they" constitute 365 individuals, each democratically elected. Cumulatively they will always know better than the population on average - I don't think anyone seriously believes otherwise. If it sounds sneering and condescending it's probably just because you don't actually understand what I said. I thought there were 650 MP's? Or is 365 a glimpse of the future when we are ruled from Brussels and Westminster just rubber stamps decisions by the politburo?
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 17, 2016 12:38:45 GMT
BREAKING NEWS Corbyn resigns, position untenable, majority of genius Labour MPs didnt support him, only elected because of 'idiots' votes Other news MPS overwhelmingly vote for massive pay rise, electorate relieved they dont have to think about such complicated decisions That's worth 2 or more likes!!
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Post by lb on Jun 17, 2016 12:44:53 GMT
BREAKING NEWS Corbyn resigns, position untenable, majority of genius Labour MPs didnt support him, only elected because of 'idiots' votes Other news MPS overwhelmingly vote for massive pay rise, electorate relieved they dont have to think about such complicated decisions I was actually worried you were being serious and Labour may start becoming credible again ... we don't want that, do we
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Post by registerme on Jun 17, 2016 12:47:29 GMT
The problem is that with an un-electable Labour and a Tory party that will remain in civil war regardless of the outcome of the referendum (not to mention showing itself up as being incompetent, disingenuous, opportunistic and unpleasant), just who the hell do you vote for?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 17, 2016 12:47:42 GMT
Oh and of course those same wise MPs voted by an overwhelming majority to hold the referendum in the first place and previously voted (by a smaller majority) to hold Referenda in reponse to any further change to EU treaties.
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