Brexit: In or Out

If Brexit happened why should London not separate from the rest of the UK. In fact, why should Westminster not separate from London? In fact, why dont we all decide on laws for our own streets.

The world is becoming globalised not polarised. there must be global rules, global rights, global obligations, global support 

One World with Equal Opportunity for all is what we should all be "praying" for or else the world is going to last about another 50 years at the very best before everyone destroys each other  

Of course, if MPs are more equal than plebs, then we must accept that the leaders elected by the MPs are even more equal, and the PM is therefore the most equal of MPs.

Now, successive PMs have selected most of the members of the House of Lords and therefore the members of the House of Lords are the most equal of all and represent the pinnacle of our representative democracy.

Cancel the referendum and let the Lords decide.

Actually listening to the quality of some of the debate in the Lords this might not be such a bad idea, perhaps we need a plebiscite to determine if we should pass this decision on to the upper chamber.



contd. on pg. 94.

And with perfect timing, from the people who have Referenda on just about everything....

switzerland withdraws application to join eu as only lunatics join now

A few days ago I posted a link to an online poll showing an unbelievable 81% Leave vote www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/poll/  which is now up to c. 133,000 votes.  Clearly the types of people finding and responding to that poll (I found it via a link on a broadsheet comment section) are not the average demographic that the polling agencies have so carefully constructed.

The bar graph on that page can be changed to a line graph over time by clicking the bottom right icon.  Given the events of the last 24 hours, and what may be a muted tone for the remainder of the campaign, I thought it might be worth analysing how the votes on this poll have been allocated on a daily basis since the start of June.

Click on image for the full table:

Apart from the 9th of June, the 2000 plus votes added each day have been pretty consistently around the 80% mark for leave.  The votes so far today seem in line with recent days.

Agreed, but I'd go further and say both sides have had the wrong people leading the fight.

There should have been a recognition from the outset by both sides that given the two main parties were split on the issue and in the interest of maintaining government (and opposition) credibility both during and post referendum , politicians should have taken a back seat from the off.

The notional head of the remain campaign is former Marks and Spencer boss Stuart, now Lord Rose.  The leave campaign could have found an equivalent figurehead (James Dyson perhaps).  Both sides could have deployed largely the same tactics, but having it presented by prominent business people, engineers, academics etc. would have carried much more weight.

That would have avoided various issues such as politicians not being believed/trusted and the debate being distorted by considerations as to what each result will mean for the government / opposition parties.

The same campaigns but "politician-lite" would I think have resulted in a comfortable remain majority, as remains "project fear" would have been more credible to more people.

I have to agree, the politicians should have taken a back seat on this one as they are going to be the ones who have to deal with the outcome regardless of their beliefs. Given the stance that Cameron and Osbourne have taken I have no confidence in their being able to lead the negotiations in the best interests of the country should we vote leave as they come across as already having run up the white flag.

As to whether Remain's project fear would have been more credible had it been politician lite, I'm not sure that it would because we have been fed such a line on business fat cats, tax avoiders, the 1% etc anyone on the remain campaign would have been accused of being there for their own personal gain and not in the interests of the general public, plus they have to overcome the 41 years of anti-EU rhetoric that we have been fed particularly in recent years by the very people who are leading the remain campaign.