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Post by Financial Thing on Jun 24, 2016 12:49:26 GMT
For all those considering exiting p2p, remember 2008, people lost half their portfolios because they panicked. Everyone who's been complaining about lack of loan availability could see some great opportunities now.
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Post by propman on Jun 24, 2016 12:51:30 GMT
I'm remaining in P2P - but will be looking very carefully at property loans with a higher LTV. What makes you feel comfortable - a max of 60%?, 65%? LTV is just a number. There are 10% LTVs that I wouldn't touch with someone else's. Issue is basis of valuation (recalc LTV on estimate of recoverable amount in say 6 months and certainly not Gross Development Value) and marketability of the property in a downturn. In 2008 the only commercial property selling in London was that with good covenant tenants ie secure income. There are still areas where houses are very difficult to sell, so in a downturn...
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Post by Jaydee on Jun 24, 2016 14:11:09 GMT
I find it rather interesting that certain P2P sites are now branching out into political commentary... I received two emails about the impact of brexit on P2P. The one from Assetz Capital seems very much focused on the negative aspects, but the one from Saving Stream presents it as a positive opportunity. Presumably this is due to the difference between having a central London office (and being largely surrounded by Remain supporters) and one based out in the regions (surrounded mainly by Leave supporters)? I've received 6 emails from p2p platforms I am registered with, 4 of them saying that their model is not impacted by the result, one saying the it is good for it's model and the other saying that it is not good for it's model. Hey Ho.
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Post by james on Jun 24, 2016 14:37:05 GMT
more expensive imports will mean inflation which in turn means higher interest rates Nope. All it will do is prompt a letter from the BoE to the Chancellor explaining that it's a temporary blip that will fall out of the numbers a year later. That sort of thing is self-correcting just through the passage of time. More likely if there is any sign of significant disruption is a rate cut, perhaps to zero, as an economic stimulus and to encourage banks to lend more if they have reduced or stopped that.
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Post by sam i am on Jun 24, 2016 17:22:07 GMT
Unless the £ recovers sharpish more expensive imports will mean inflation which in turn means higher interest rates... If the economy is performing poorly we will need interest rates to remain low to avoid the situation getting worse. Although the £ plunged dramatically overnight, it had risen significantly over the last 10 days. GBP=USD is currently 1.37. On 14 Jun it was 1.41. So the fall in this context is not so great. But all will depend on where things go from here...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 18:05:10 GMT
No impact.
The corporate propaganda we heard over the months was to protect THEIR wealth, power and influence, and not ours.
The bullion in my portfolio did great overnight!!!
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Post by markr on Jun 24, 2016 22:05:40 GMT
Presumably this is due to the difference between having a central London office (and being largely surrounded by Remain supporters) and one based out in the regions (surrounded mainly by Leave supporters)? Stockport (and Trafford and Manchester) were fairly strong Remain areas, although admittedly surrounded by a sea of hardline Leavers.
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Post by stevefindlay on Jun 25, 2016 9:25:30 GMT
Here are some thoughts from BondMason on the impact of Brexit. The conclusion (to save clicking through): Over time, 3-6+ months, the volatile market fluctuations are likely to begin to settle down (back to their usual levels of volatility), and an accepted level of exchange rate pricing may emerge. This timescale may extend if Britain moves into a recession, or has a prolonged economic downturn as a result of the exit vote, or other external factors come into play – e.g. Frexit, Nexit or Trump winning the US presidential race. Lending overall is likely to decrease, but this may actually accelerate the shift of lending from traditional providers of finance to newer providers of finance – e.g. P2P Platforms. We [BondMason] are also opening up other sources of lending opportunities for our clients, which we will be able to report on in the coming months. Overall, we expect there to be a good level of loan investment opportunities, but the economic backdrop may be more challenging. We typically take a conservative approach to investing, and this may be more pronounced over the next 6-12 months.Admittedly, not exactly ground-breaking stuff - but I thought it worth sharing here.
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Post by trevor on Jun 25, 2016 12:17:08 GMT
My take on this is to avoid high LTV's i.e. the 70%'s and longer term deals i.e. more than 2 years. I voted for remain but for number of months have been following this strategy in case of Brexit and am now comfortable wit my portfolio.
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Post by Liz on Jun 25, 2016 12:52:15 GMT
Iv'e got an ad at the bottom of my screen; it is Fred Flintstone with his hands in the air with joy shouting "Yabba, dabba doo" I think he likes Brexit
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Post by borofan on Jun 26, 2016 11:07:21 GMT
Slightly off topic, but advice please. I have a NSI inflation linked bond maturing in a couple of weeks, which is about 5% of my total investments. My P2P investments are about 20% of my total money, with the rest being in cash ISAs/bank accounts and small amount in a FTSE tracker. Before Brexit my intention was to take the cash as inflation wasn't going anywhere and put it into P2P. Now I'm thinking of letting it roll over for another 5 years as a hedge against inflation. Opinions?
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Post by james on Jun 26, 2016 17:52:02 GMT
I'd go with P2P but perhaps steer clear of property development and related businesses for a while. Property development might experience slower refinacing/sales or reduced sale prices while things like the moving company loan at MoneyThing is in effect investing in a business leveraging the number of property transactions. Retail property is perhaps highest risk. Central London is a bit of a toss-up with a lower Pound possibly attracting buyers vs higher stamp duty doing the opposite. There's also a lot of supply of high end properties pending for the high end part of the central London market.
The lower Pound will cause a short term blip in inflation but most of that should leave the inflation index in the first year with a bit following on in higher costs in the following one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 18:04:03 GMT
Slightly off topic, but advice please. I have a NSI inflation linked bond maturing in a couple of weeks, which is about 5% of my total investments. My P2P investments are about 20% of my total money, with the rest being in cash ISAs/bank accounts and small amount in a FTSE tracker. Before Brexit my intention was to take the cash as inflation wasn't going anywhere and put it into P2P. Now I'm thinking of letting it roll over for another 5 years as a hedge against inflation. Opinions? Opinion, it is what I did. Diversify has to be a rule, but not to the point where you cannot control the size of your portfolio.
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Post by Steerpike on Jun 26, 2016 18:20:56 GMT
Slightly off topic, but advice please. I have a NSI inflation linked bond maturing in a couple of weeks, which is about 5% of my total investments. My P2P investments are about 20% of my total money, with the rest being in cash ISAs/bank accounts and small amount in a FTSE tracker. Before Brexit my intention was to take the cash as inflation wasn't going anywhere and put it into P2P. Now I'm thinking of letting it roll over for another 5 years as a hedge against inflation. Opinions? I have bought quite a few NSI inflation linked tax free bonds and so far I have not cashed any of them. I like having a hedge against inflation and inflation linked ultra safe (?) investments are few and far between. I have invested significantly more in P2P than in NSANDI though.
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Post by ablrateandy on Jun 26, 2016 18:41:16 GMT
I think the NSI linkers are great. Some of the utility guys have issued them too. A definite portfolio must have.
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