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Post by bigfoot12 on Jun 15, 2016 19:43:11 GMT
Assume that the UK votes to leave on the 23rd. There will likely be impact on GBP and the UK economy (and EU economy) and house prices and more. Apart from those general economics is there anything else that might impact one or more P2P platforms? Are there: - Are there any EU directives that apply to P2P that are likely to be changed?
- Are there any P2P platforms using a passport type arrangement?
- Are there loans secured by assets in another currency such that a large FX move might increase the LTV above 100%?
- Anything else?
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Post by mrclondon on Jun 15, 2016 20:00:55 GMT
There is a Dublin property loan on MT that was drawn down in Euros, but presented to us in GBP with MT committing to cover the currency risk.
The Italian Books loan on FS has the security stored in "Euroland" (I think but may be wrong).
There is a TC loan secured on a Swedish wood processing factory
Longer term the non-UK domiciled platforms (e.g. Baltic states) may find EU regulation makes it harder to operate in the UK. For the avoidance of doubt the Isle of Man (MT) and Guernsey (Relendex) are NOT in the EU so would be unaffected, noting that in any case MT is registered in the UK.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jun 15, 2016 20:59:21 GMT
Hmm, I wonder if the UK could aspire to Guernsey / Jersey / IOM type status .. they seem to have the best of all worlds; restricted population movement, lots of autonomy, and still retaining the ability to (apparently) flog their produce into EU countries with gay abandon? Perhaps that only works for small Islands?
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Post by adrianc on Jun 16, 2016 7:31:43 GMT
Hmm, I wonder if the UK could aspire to Guernsey / Jersey / IOM type status .. they seem to have the best of all worlds; restricted population movement, lots of autonomy, and still retaining the ability to (apparently) flog their produce into EU countries with gay abandon? Perhaps that only works for small Islands? Except they aren't that unique. Anybody from an EU or EEA country can move to Jersey/Guernsey/IoM without anything more than applying for a residence permit (which many EU countries also require, so no reason that the UK couldn't do that). They can sell into the EU - in the same way as any other non-EU country can sell into the EU. VAT is payable on anything you import to the EU from Jersey, but there's a zero-duty agreement.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 16, 2016 11:32:40 GMT
A general observation, not specifically P2P.
For the next week we will hear the usual guano from those with a vested interest in remaining in the EU, Dodgy Dave and Gideon will make ever more bizarre statements and if we vote to leave:
The sky won't fall down. A pile of imaginary money will be lost from a cloud of imaginary debt built upon promises by imaginative people. We will be told how awful it is and the sky will still be up there.
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Post by earthbound on Jun 16, 2016 12:55:39 GMT
And so it has happened, some EU bureaucratic plonker who's name i can't be bothered to remember said. "The UK's exit from the EU could prove to be the end of western civilization as we know it" So P2P got no chance of survival, or maybe it has.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 16, 2016 13:19:12 GMT
And so it has happened, some EU bureaucratic plonker who's name i can't be bothered to remember said That'll be Donald Tusk, former Prime Minister of Poland, and President of the European Council (the strategic body consisting of the heads of government of the 28 member countries of the EU) As ever, the actual quote was a LOT more nuanced than that. www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-tusk-idUSKCN0YZ0Q9I'll leave it for German-speakers to navigate Bild's website to find the original, and see what got lost in translation. All I can easily find is a preview, which doesn't even particularly pay attention to that quote. www.bild.de/politik/ausland/brexit/tusk-warnt-vor-brexit-46257224.bild.htmlFrankly, even from that snippet, I think he's got a point, in terms of giving the far-right and extremist nationalists any more fuel. Just consider, for example, the recent Austrian Presidential elections.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 16, 2016 13:24:02 GMT
And so it has happened, some EU bureaucratic plonker who's name i can't be bothered to remember said. "The UK's exit from the EU could prove to be the end of western civilization as we know it" So P2P got no chance of survival, or maybe it has. Talking of plonkers, I'm expecting Cameron's next warning to be of 7 years of plagues of locusts, 7 years of floods etc, etc. The EU plonker was Donald Tusk, so called President of the European Council I believe. What could prove to be the end of western civilization as we know it is the EU’s failure to find a humane solution in order to control the flow of migrants into the EU and Merkel’s stupidity.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 16, 2016 13:27:16 GMT
What could prove to be the end of western civilization as we know it is the EU’s failure to find a humane solution in order to control the flow of migrants into the EU Umm, you DO know that the UK already has, and has always had, 100% control over migration from everybody other than EU passport-holders, right? INCLUDING those seeking asylum.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 16, 2016 13:42:36 GMT
What could prove to be the end of western civilization as we know it is the EU’s failure to find a humane solution in order to control the flow of migrants into the EU Umm, you DO know that the UK already has, and has always had, 100% control over migration from everybody other than EU passport-holders, right? INCLUDING those seeking asylum. Yes and I’m referring to Europe as whole not just the UK. Assuming that the current wave of migrants from outside the EU are eventually granted say, German citizenship or whichever EU country they claim asylum in, what is there to then prevent them coming to the UK as Poles etc. do now? As I’ve said before, I don’t see Eastern Europeans as a problem, it’s migrants from non European cultures that could bring about the end of western civilization be it in continental Europe or the UK. Before anyone, including the mods, jumps on that as racial hatred, it isn’t, it’s basic common sense to anyone who cares to think about it rationally.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 16, 2016 13:48:30 GMT
Umm, you DO know that the UK already has, and has always had, 100% control over migration from everybody other than EU passport-holders, right? INCLUDING those seeking asylum. Yes and I’m referring to Europe as whole not just the UK. No, you're referring to Schengen. Being granting asylum is very different from gaining nationality. A Syrian (say) who is granted asylum in Germany is still a Syrian national, and would still need to apply for a British visa before entering the UK, even as a tourist. Obviously, once somebody becomes (say) a German national, they're a German national. Like Boris Johnson, you mean? Turkish and Russian-Jewish heritage, born in New York, American citizenship from birth...
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 16, 2016 14:08:28 GMT
Yes and I’m referring to Europe as whole not just the UK. No, you're referring to Schengen. Being granting asylum is very different from gaining nationality. A Syrian (say) who is granted asylum in Germany is still a Syrian national, and would still need to apply for a British visa before entering the UK, even as a tourist. Obviously, once somebody becomes (say) a German national, they're a German national. Like Boris Johnson, you mean? Turkish and Russian-Jewish heritage, born in New York, American citizenship from birth... What has Schengen got to do with it? It doesn’t stop a German national travelling to another EU country. A Syrian becoming a German national doesn’t guarantee that individual will become integrated into a western society but they would still be able to come to the UK Re Boris Johnson. You could have added Farage and no doubt many others who have integrated into the society of the host nation, the question is, how many of the migrants now entering the EU will espouse EU aka western society? Again for the mods, this is intended as a reasoned argument without racial undertones.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 16, 2016 14:18:51 GMT
No, you're referring to Schengen. Being granting asylum is very different from gaining nationality. A Syrian (say) who is granted asylum in Germany is still a Syrian national, and would still need to apply for a British visa before entering the UK, even as a tourist. Obviously, once somebody becomes (say) a German national, they're a German national. Like Boris Johnson, you mean? Turkish and Russian-Jewish heritage, born in New York, American citizenship from birth... What has Schengen got to do with it? Schengen is the "Europe" that's relevant to the migrant crisis. The single, borderless group of countries. Asylum and non-EU visas are centralised and apply to all Schengen countries. No, it doesn't. But a German travelling to the UK does require a passport, and can be refused entry or deported. What's nationality got to do with "integration", whatever that means? BTW, are you aware of what gaining citizenship actually involves? www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 16, 2016 14:41:52 GMT
What has Schengen got to do with it? Schengen is the "Europe" that's relevant to the migrant crisis. The single, borderless group of countries. Asylum and non-EU visas are centralised and apply to all Schengen countries. No, it doesn't. But a German travelling to the UK does require a passport, and can be refused entry or deported. What's nationality got to do with "integration", whatever that means? BTW, are you aware of what gaining citizenship actually involves? www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen“What's nationality got to do with "integration", whatever that means?” Nationality is just a word to describe someone who is authorised to carry the passport of a particular country, it means absolutely nothing. Integration. May I respectfully suggest and we’ve been here before, visiting Dewsbury or Bradford and you will see people with UK nationality living a form of apartheid of their own choosing that bears no resemblance to the rest of Yorkshire never mind the UK as a whole. “BTW, are you aware of what gaining citizenship actually involves? www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen”I simply repeat what I said above, citizenship / nationality is just a word to describe someone who is authorised to carry the passport of a particular country, it means absolutely nothing. Disclaimer for the mods: There is no racist intent or nuances in this post.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Jun 16, 2016 14:49:19 GMT
Hi, is it possible to stick to the thread please?
Imagine the country votes out next Thursday. Is there going to come a moment on Friday, or a month or three later when one of us thinks I wish I'd thought of that earlier?
Can anyone think of that P2P impacting thing now?
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