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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 28, 2016 12:35:21 GMT
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 28, 2016 12:42:25 GMT
I spotted that story too.....just as well our national dish is now curry  .......what would Alf Tupper have done!!!!!!!!
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Post by gmaxkenny on Jun 28, 2016 12:43:50 GMT
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 28, 2016 12:45:43 GMT
If you don't mind my saying so, spoken like a true elitist! 
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 28, 2016 12:56:18 GMT
If you don't mind my saying so, spoken like a true elitist! Only if it's beluga......lump fish is cheap!!
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 28, 2016 13:08:09 GMT
If you don't mind my saying so, spoken like a true elitist! Only if it's beluga......lump fish is cheap!! But of course, nothing less. If it's good enough for the elites it's good enough for us mere mortals. 
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Post by gmaxkenny on Jun 28, 2016 13:55:05 GMT
If you don't mind my saying so, spoken like a true elitist! Alas not,the only food from a tin I can afford is baked beans.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 28, 2016 14:57:40 GMT
If you don't mind my saying so, spoken like a true elitist! Alas not,the only food from a tin I can afford is baked beans. Do you mean haricot beans served in a rich tomato coulis?
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Post by meledor on Jun 28, 2016 16:01:42 GMT
There seems to be plenty of cod around at the moment. But even if these dire warnings are true all the more reason to get our fish back following Brexit - in the Channel 75% of quotas were handed over to the French when we joined in 1973.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 28, 2016 17:52:30 GMT
There seems to be plenty of cod around at the moment. But even if these dire warnings are true all the more reason to get our fish back following Brexit - in the Channel 75% of quotas were handed over to the French when we joined in 1973.
Cod being the operative word.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 28, 2016 18:15:43 GMT
There seems to be plenty of cod around at the moment. But even if these dire warnings are true all the more reason to get our fish back following Brexit - in the Channel 75% of quotas were handed over to the French when we joined in 1973.
Cod being the operative word. And later I think what really depleted fish stock was a huge Spanish fleet, (no not the Armada!) with there 20 denier nets, that were accused of breaking all sorts rules.
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Post by jonah on Jun 28, 2016 18:56:12 GMT
On the topic of fishing, I suspect based on massively unscientific polling from people interviewed by radio stations before the vote, the fishing communities in the uk were generally 'out'. They seemed to be working under the assumption that we will 'retake' our waters.
If we assume that we do... That would I assume be good news for fishermen (in the uk) and for boat building (maybe in the uk) as the uk fleets built up to take advantage of the larger resources which they will have access to. It would likely take years to grow the uk fleet to cover those waterways.
The question becomes, will we claim those waters? I assume that the French, Spanish etc would quite like to retain access, so providing it could be a bargaining chit to offset something else. Even managing a claimed area could be a logistical challenge for the English Channel for example.
So, if whoever does negotiate with the eu decides that fishing rights makes a nice chip for something else, I wonder how those thousands or hundreds of thousands of people will feel. Obviously this could go the other way for fishing, but there will be some group of people who will expect something and not get it.
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Post by meledor on Jun 28, 2016 20:05:31 GMT
. The question becomes, will we claim those waters? I assume that the French, Spanish etc would quite like to retain access, so providing it could be a bargaining chit to offset something else. Even managing a claimed area could be a logistical challenge for the English Channel for example. So, if whoever does negotiate with the eu decides that fishing rights makes a nice chip for something else, I wonder how those thousands or hundreds of thousands of people will feel. Obviously this could go the other way for fishing, but there will be some group of people who will expect something and not get it.
Why wouldn't we claim our waters back? It is all part of taking back control as the Common Fisheries Policy has been an economic, social and environmental disaster for the UK. It was estimated in 2009 that the CFP was costing the UK £2.8 billion a year.
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Some commentators/politicians are saying we should accept the 'Norway' model which allows access to the EU single market. I am not in favour of this because it involves continuing to accept the free movement of people but even with this model Norway has sole access to its fish within it territorial waters under international law.
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Post by jonah on Jun 28, 2016 20:30:15 GMT
I didn't say we wouldn't, but that it is a decision which needs to be taken, one of hundreds. My knowledge of fishing is minimal... I like cod, salmon, sword fish but not prawns What I was heading towards but wasn't clear is that whoever makes these decisions is going to be busy, both before the 2 yr clock starts and during it. Assuming we want something, anything from the Eu, we will have to give them something in return. It could be cash, it could be fishing rights, it could be something else, but some ardent out supporters aren't going to get quite what they expect. |
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Post by meledor on Jun 28, 2016 21:23:47 GMT
I didn't say we wouldn't, but that it is a decision which needs to be taken, one of hundreds. My knowledge of fishing is minimal... I like cod, salmon, sword fish but not prawns What I was heading towards but wasn't clear is that whoever makes these decisions is going to be busy, both before the 2 yr clock starts and during it. Assuming we want something, anything from the Eu, we will have to give them something in return. It could be cash, it could be fishing rights, it could be something else, but some ardent out supporters aren't going to get quite what they expect.
I understood what you said the first time. But given a Brexit vote the restoration of fishing rights is a non-negotiable. It is not going to be used as some sort of pawn or trade-off.
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.......what would Alf Tupper have done!!!!!!!!
