shimself
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Post by shimself on Nov 21, 2016 15:29:41 GMT
Perhaps they ought to update the old adage "The US sneezes, the World catches a cold", to The US trumps, the World............ Holds its nose
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 21, 2016 18:54:20 GMT
Perhaps they ought to update the old adage "The US sneezes, the World catches a cold", to The US trumps, the World............ tops it(self)
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ablender
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Post by ablender on Nov 22, 2016 7:05:36 GMT
ablender , clearly you have little time for the US and would prefer to point out the defects, as you see them, in their historical foreign policy rather than focus on their actual losses in WWll and how that might inform their decisions in future. To the average US citizen I suspect Europe is a distant (and in England's case almost certainly mythical) land full of strange, argumentative and lazy peoples, who have depended on the US military presence since the end of the war to protect them from the Russians. It matters not one jot to them whether their wartime contribution is seen by others as tardy, selfishly motivated or insufficient - the fact is they did fight and did lose thousands of combatants. My original point - made just after 11am on Remembrance Day - was that the enormity (to them) of their losses (and it's much harder to be sniffy about those losses while standing in front of a wall with the names of thousands of dead Americans inscribed on it) may well discourage them from making a similar effort in the future. Does that matter? I rather think so. I am not debating the validity of the argument of loss of (individual) life. I argue against today's American foreign policy. I would be happy if they went back to their shores. Just to put your argument in perspective, quoting wikipedia: "Over 60 million people were killed, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion)"
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Post by oldnick on Nov 22, 2016 12:13:11 GMT
My 'arguement', if that is what it must be called, is not, and never was, about absolute numbers. It's about whether the American cavalry will be motivated to ride to the rescue ever again. Are you suggesting that we (Europe) can do without their help?
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shimself
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Post by shimself on Nov 22, 2016 17:29:11 GMT
My 'arguement', if that is what it must be called, is not, and never was, about absolute numbers. It's about whether the American cavalry will be motivated to ride to the rescue ever again. Are you suggesting that we (Europe) can do without their help? There is a case to be made that lives would have been saved if we (assorted European countries) had not supported their adventures elsewhere. I also suggest (going - I sincerely hope- way off topic that the dangers of nuclear armaments, which constitute in large part how they would now ride to the rescue, in particular the possibility of an accidental war, far outweigh the benefits). Read Command and Control by Eric Schlosser
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Nov 22, 2016 18:56:34 GMT
It's about whether the American cavalry will be motivated to ride to the rescue ever again. Are you suggesting that we (Europe) can do without their help? The US would be obligated to, unless and until they decide to pull out of NATO, dismantling it. Even then, there may well be UN Security Council implications. Unless and until they pull out of the UN, too...
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Post by skippyonspeed on Dec 6, 2016 20:08:56 GMT
Trump wants to cancel Air Force One linkHe could replace it with this link
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 6, 2016 20:28:45 GMT
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