cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Nov 3, 2016 9:52:38 GMT
REPAID LOAN
Loan Amount | : | £ | 812,500
| Security Value | : | £ | 1,250,000
| SS Indicated LTV | : |
| 65% | 90 Day Market Valuation | : | £ | 990,000*
| LTV Based on 90 day Market Valuation | : |
| 82% | Term | : |
| 183 days | % PA
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| 10% |
*Market Value with vacant possession subject to 90-day sale constraint period, business closed, licences removed, and trading inventory removed
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Nov 3, 2016 9:58:31 GMT
24hr Go Live just received.
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am
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Post by am on Nov 3, 2016 10:20:11 GMT
The valuation report includes the annual profit from the hotel, which is several times greater than that required to pay the interest on the loan. I think that is a valid justification for considering this a lower risk loan, and floating it at a lower interest rate. If you take the going concern valuation the LTV is under 50%, and the going concern valuation struck me as conservative (though I am more familiar with valuations for quoted companies, and the earnings multiple does seem to run lower for private companies). The two issues that I see are 1) The legalities of perfecting the security, as the property is owned by a limited liability company and the loan is to an individual (even if the individual is or is soon to be the sole shareholder in the company). 2) The lack of clarity about the ownership of the company, as mentioned under the Pipeline Loans topic, and the consequent lack of clarity about the purpose of the loan. If I recall correctly the first issue came up with a loan at MT, and MT provided an explanation; unfortunately my recollection doesn't extend to what the explanation was. Could savingstream provide an explanation of the first point for those of us who aren't experts in the relevant bits of the law, and clarify the ownership/history of the property, please? PS: There may not be many hotels of that value in the town, so the moderators might prefer a less precise description, such as North East Hotel. Update: Rereading the details, I see that the statement is "The purpose of the loan is to purchase the property in to the Borrower's sole name. The effect of this will be that the other shareholders in the Company are being bought out." If this translates to that a director, in a related party transaction, is purchasing the property from the company, this moots the first issue. I see that, as was noted on the Pipeline Loans topic, that RateSetter has a charge on the property. Presumably this means that the company will apply part of the proceeds to repaying the RateSetter loan and lifting the current charge. Will the borrower run the hotel as a sole trader, or will the company continue to operate the hotel, paying rent to the borrower? Will there be a return of capital from the company?
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seeingred
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Post by seeingred on Nov 3, 2016 10:20:12 GMT
At least the 90 day valuation looks to be above the loan amount - at the moment.....
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Nov 3, 2016 10:58:44 GMT
"The hotel business is currently trading with a net profit of c£530k and gross turnover of c£1.7m"
Anyone ever heard of a hotel making 31% net profit on turnover??
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Post by slumberingaccountant on Nov 3, 2016 11:10:22 GMT
" The hotel business is currently trading with a net profit of c£530k and gross turnover of c£1.7m" Anyone ever heard of a hotel making 31% net profit on turnover?? Its certainly High, but : 1 its an adjusted profit - so no finance charges included. 2 The business looks to to have a very good turnover and mix of sales. Staff costs look quite low, suggesting they have lots of casual staff helping out. As long as the business model keeps working....
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am
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Post by am on Nov 3, 2016 12:13:31 GMT
" The hotel business is currently trading with a net profit of c£530k and gross turnover of c£1.7m" Anyone ever heard of a hotel making 31% net profit on turnover?? Its certainly High, but : 1 its an adjusted profit - so no finance charges included. 2 The business looks to to have a very good turnover and mix of sales. Staff costs look quite low, suggesting they have lots of casual staff helping out. As long as the business model keeps working.... Any estimate of the real profit?
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am
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Post by am on Nov 3, 2016 12:35:05 GMT
" The hotel business is currently trading with a net profit of c£530k and gross turnover of c£1.7m" Anyone ever heard of a hotel making 31% net profit on turnover?? Its certainly High, but : 1 its an adjusted profit - so no finance charges included. 2 The business looks to to have a very good turnover and mix of sales. Staff costs look quite low, suggesting they have lots of casual staff helping out. As long as the business model keeps working.... The VR does describe the £530k as an adjusted net profit. SS's loan overview omits the qualification. Tut, tut.
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grahamg
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Post by grahamg on Nov 3, 2016 14:48:47 GMT
Well having had a rummage around at companies house and despite the figures in the valuation i can't help seeing this loan as a rescue of a rescue package of some sort, rather than anything positive. Another hotel went into CVA in 2014 with liquidator appointed in May 2016
Not 10% material for me.
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moist
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Post by moist on Nov 3, 2016 18:21:19 GMT
interesting history of liquidating hotels if you get digging.....
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grahamg
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Post by grahamg on Nov 3, 2016 18:44:04 GMT
Could savingstream comment on this borrowers habit of liquidating hotels, latest may 2016 in the same area. Bound to say its only the security that counts, but i don't think so.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Nov 3, 2016 18:59:23 GMT
<double-checks pre-fund amount>
Good...
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MarkT
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Post by MarkT on Nov 3, 2016 19:56:30 GMT
<double-checks pre-fund amount> Good... +1
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yorky
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Post by yorky on Nov 3, 2016 21:00:45 GMT
Hartlepool Post makes interesting reading and go back a few issues
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grahamg
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Post by grahamg on Nov 3, 2016 21:26:14 GMT
Hartlepool Post makes interesting reading and go back a few issues Yep natives not happy, serial offender ?
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