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Post by will on Jun 9, 2017 16:32:29 GMT
Theresa May targeting rich old people with her manifesto was a great way to shoot herself in the foot. Rich old people are the core Tory vote!
That said, social care costs need to be tackled and maybe she thought she was far enough ahead in the polls to do it.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 9, 2017 16:32:47 GMT
.... TM seems to have behaved very naively, working out what you believe to be the right policy and then advocating it regardless of how popular it will be is not the thing to do in an election campaign. Making the winter champagne allowance means tested, removing the pensioners triple lock, and rationalising old age care so that folk at home and folk in a care home pay the same were rational ideas but not vote winners and gave the opposition easy targets. ..... I was going to say something very similar. And add that this could have been a lightweight manifesto with few details (if you believed it was 'there for the taking' at the outset) rather than run the risk of putting in 'bombs'. Removing the triple lock was probably ok; adding to that the "dementia tax" and removal of free lunches (not withstanding that it was meant to be to fund free breakfasts....) was really really poor politics. Add to that TM ran a presidential campaign: but the more people have seen of her since she stepped up I think the less they have liked her. And she had for a while seemed to be fixated with issues that weren't the concern of many and we should have moved on from. Fox hunting. Grammar Schools. These are not the issues people generally want to be discussing and when someone does it does not show them as addressing the most pressing issues (Brexit negotiations anyone ??). So there started to be a toxic mix of not very likeable; policies that could be portrayed as particular 'un-nice'; talking about issues of yesterday; and then a strong smell of a degree of incompetency coupled with apparent arrogance.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 9, 2017 16:34:54 GMT
Theresa May targeting rich old people with her manifesto was a great way to shoot herself in the foot. Rich old people are the core Tory vote! That said, social care costs need to be tackled and maybe she thought she was far enough ahead in the polls to do it. yes but terribly poor politics. Sufficiently far ahead in the polls means low content manifesto and then have 3 years to do it and 2 years for it to have become 'done deal' before next election.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 9, 2017 16:38:22 GMT
I blame the Yoof's , i'm not sure what corbyn has got, but it seemed to excite them enough into voting for him.  |
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Post by ozboy on Jun 9, 2017 16:44:58 GMT
I blame the Yoof's , i'm not sure what corbyn has got, but it seemed to excite them enough into voting for him. There's a reason many vote Labour in their youth, with many then graduating slowly to Conservative as they get older. In your youth you know Football Association about anything, but think and are convinced that you know everything.
Then of course as you age you tend to have learned, experienced, and know a smidgen more; you realise in your dotage that you don't know everything, but you do know that you know a little bit more. 
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 9, 2017 16:46:17 GMT
My ramblings in this post a year ago weren't so completely off the wall. A prediction that it would be TM that took over from DC (when Bojo was the favourite); that likely the referendum would lead the conservatives to be perceived as moving furhter to the right and undoing all that work to appear less nasty and more caring; and most importantly that JCs chances of being the next PM had been enhanced not diminished (when many thought it was only weeks before he would be out the door). He didn't make it, but he was much closer than anyone would have given him credit for 12 months ago. p2pindependentforum.com/post/124897/thread |
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 9, 2017 16:52:42 GMT
Oh god. And she hasn't even used this as an opportunity to get Boris out of the Foreign Sec position, nor remove that intellectual lightweight David Davis. I at least hoped this would give her an excuse.
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Post by gmaxkenny on Jun 9, 2017 16:54:39 GMT
On 23rd of June 2016 the UK voted not to be ruled by Brussels.
On 8th of June 2017 the UK voted to be ruled by Belfast.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 9, 2017 16:58:12 GMT
just shows tories will always put power and their party ahead of the best interests of the country. And that’s just what you’ll get if Corbyn was to win a majority next time round. All the moderates and erstwhile Blairites will hold their noses and work with Jezza in order to “unite to bring the country together” when all they’re really interested in is power, Chuka Umunna was visibly drooling over the prospect of power in an interview in the small hours of this morning.
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 9, 2017 16:58:44 GMT
I blame the Yoof's , i'm not sure what corbyn has got, but it seemed to excite them enough into voting for him. Perhaps he got a few tips from Roland Percival  link
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Post by Liz on Jun 9, 2017 17:07:31 GMT
Just to say I am not a fan of Tory or Labour. But how can Jeremy Corbyn say this is an incredible result, when he lost? I bet the big hitters in the party wished they had backed JC, as they would be in power tonight.
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Post by chielamangus on Jun 9, 2017 17:14:40 GMT
Amidst all the hoo-ha about the Government losing some its legitimacy by losing a dozen seats (and I agree) and only getting 43 per cent of the popular vote, let us not forget that the new President of France only got 24 per cent of the popular vote when he stood against all the other parties, and our Brexit negotiating opposition, the European Commission, never ever submits itself to anything so demeaning as an election.
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Post by martin44 on Jun 9, 2017 17:22:11 GMT
The election wasn't a total waste of time, it got rid of salmond, robertson and the ridiculous Mr clegg.  |
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Post by skippyonspeed on Jun 9, 2017 17:32:18 GMT
The election wasn't a total waste of time, it got rid of salmond, robertson and the ridiculous Mr clegg. Yeah but, how the hell did Dianne Abbott survive!!!!!!
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 9, 2017 17:35:48 GMT
Breaking news: another election called. Dont worry no need to vote this time. John Curtice will just phone some voters and then announce the result Meanwhile Eddie Edwards demands gold medal for Olypmpic Ski Jump as he must have won because he want as rubbish as everyone expected Black Knight claims to have won Scotland as he still has his head when the SNP Parliamentary party lost theirs Theresa May wins best song Oscar for 'Strong and Stable' from La La Land Tories claim massive majority after 62 Returning Officers all inexplicably announce the wrong result www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/09/awkward-election-moment-returning-officer-announces-wrong-candidate/  |
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