ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 10, 2017 13:43:24 GMT
Keep up theyve both resigned as TM was told to sack em or face challenge on Mon
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 10, 2017 13:49:38 GMT
Quite right, but i'm not sure the young-en's are taking any notice, we have been and are still in a period of austerity paying of Blair and brown's incompetence, but the young cannot seem to see past reckless left wing promise's that will leave them and their kids skint. I sincerely hope Theresa May does exactly the same as Cameron, when he jumped in bed with the liberals, and see out the full five years and get the job done, no matter what the opposition and press say or predict. I agree with you about seeing out the full five years but without a formal coalition agreement I’m doubtful it could happen plus I believe that the knives will soon be out in the Conservative party hence my post forecasting an October election. Anybody amongst the more mature commentators (age, not life attitude  ) getting a sense of 1974 deja vu - Tory PM calls election to get authority, loses majority, cant form govt, other bunch forms minority govt and then calls election in Oct. And wins. Only difference this time is that JC cant form a govt (Tories have majority over all non-Irish parties & DUP wouldnt back Corbyn ISTM) so if TM fails its another election.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 10, 2017 14:09:45 GMT
they voted Conservative because they didn't want their kids to have to worry about having to pay off all the debts that JC would run up. not the likes of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hall who should be sacked immediately Do you have a crystal ball? (maybe resigning isn't the same as sacking though)
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Post by JamesFrance on Jun 10, 2017 14:36:37 GMT
not the likes of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hall who should be sacked immediately Do you have a crystal ball? (maybe resigning isn't the same as sacking though) It seems that May was told that they should be sacked today or she would be out on Monday. She must surely resign now as her authority has gone.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 10, 2017 16:08:19 GMT
Do you have a crystal ball? (maybe resigning isn't the same as sacking though) It seems that May was told that they should be sacked today or she would be out on Monday. She must surely resign now as her authority has gone. I think the precise scenario was sack them or there will be a leadership challenge. Either way the last thing we need is a new PM and another election to establish their authority
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 10, 2017 18:43:16 GMT
I’m not saying the economy is in rude health but am I correct in saying that the Economist has generally been anti Brexit? Therefore could those statements be anti Brexit spin? I’ll stand corrected on that as I am not a regular reader and it is only an impression I have gained on glancing through the magazine. If it isn’t spin then perhaps the Conservatives should call another election quickly leading to a Corbyn government and then let Labour catch the fallout when the economy does hit the rocks? Said with tongue in cheek. I havent read it for a while but it is basically the Guardian for people with a Bsc Econ. I wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt owned by George Soros
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 10, 2017 18:59:21 GMT
For all our myriad differences as individuals I find it singularly tragic that we cannot find it within ourselves to set our differences aside to enable the Country to focus on keeping our economy as stable as possible during the rigours that lie ahead for us during the Brexit negotiations. I can only begin to imagine what our EU counterparts are thinking and perhaps saying about the United Kingdom right now, 'Look at them Brits they couldn't even organise a P***-*p in a Brewery'. 'These guys are a joke'. And there's this:   Aye you bet your bottom $ our neighbours across the Channel will be laughing their heads off at us. Is this what we want?! Doubtless our fractured and backbiting approach will only serve to strengthen the EU's hand and leave ours looking limp as lettuce. Where's the British Bulldog? Where's our Unity, What do we see when we look at our reflections in a mirror? By heck surely we can do better than this, surely to goodness? The truth is the world has changed and the level of manipulation and deception has gone to a totally different level. Never assume things are what they seem - doubt everything.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jun 10, 2017 19:24:13 GMT
The truth is the world has changed and the level of manipulation and deception has gone to a totally different level. Never assume things are what they seem - doubt everything. Sorry, checked out of this thread for a while - are we talking about valuation reports again?
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Post by ozboy on Jun 10, 2017 19:58:05 GMT
The truth is the world has changed and the level of manipulation and deception has gone to a totally different level. Never assume things are what they seem - doubt everything. Sorry, checked out of this thread for a while - are we talking about valuation reports again?
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Post by happy on Jun 10, 2017 21:35:53 GMT
I expected this result from the moment Corbyn announced free university education. The young seem to believe that a government could pay for that, restore all public sector cuts, benefit cuts, provide free social care for all and do away with public sector pay restraint. All those and lots more things people may want and all paid for by a modest increase in tax for the successful and an increase in company tax. That's how they persuaded them to vote and who wouldn't like all those things if they were available. Older people know that is impossible, but apart from the odd reference to a magic money tree it was hardly challenged by the Conservative side. A thoroughly dishonest campaign by Labour but it nearly succeeded.Almost as dishonest as the Leave Campaign me thinks, was that a saving of £350m a week that we can then spend on the NHS I recall them promising!
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Post by martin44 on Jun 10, 2017 21:58:02 GMT
I expected this result from the moment Corbyn announced free university education. The young seem to believe that a government could pay for that, restore all public sector cuts, benefit cuts, provide free social care for all and do away with public sector pay restraint. All those and lots more things people may want and all paid for by a modest increase in tax for the successful and an increase in company tax. That's how they persuaded them to vote and who wouldn't like all those things if they were available. Older people know that is impossible, but apart from the odd reference to a magic money tree it was hardly challenged by the Conservative side. A thoroughly dishonest campaign by Labour but it nearly succeeded.Almost as dishonest as the Leave Campaign me thinks, was that a saving of £350m a week that we can then spend on the NHS I recall them promising! Of course not.. it was going to be used to pay the students tuition fees. edit.... or had diane abbott allocated it elsewhere?  You can do loads with £35 0 billion
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Post by rxdav on Jun 10, 2017 22:01:39 GMT
I expected this result from the moment Corbyn announced free university education. The young seem to believe that a government could pay for that, restore all public sector cuts, benefit cuts, provide free social care for all and do away with public sector pay restraint. All those and lots more things people may want and all paid for by a modest increase in tax for the successful and an increase in company tax. That's how they persuaded them to vote and who wouldn't like all those things if they were available. Older people know that is impossible, but apart from the odd reference to a magic money tree it was hardly challenged by the Conservative side. A thoroughly dishonest campaign by Labour but it nearly succeeded.Almost as dishonest as the Leave Campaign me thinks, was that a saving of £350m a week that we can then spend on the NHS I recall them promising! And of course the Remain campaign was scrupulously honest and forthright? But just a minute - wasn't the world as we know it supposed to imminently end in Armageddon if mere citizens dared defy the political elites and chattering classes and vote Leave (I vaguely remember it was latterly alluded to as 'Project Fear')?
Well that all turned out to be total bo**ocks didn't it. It's nearly a year on since the referendum and I've not seen a single locust, frog or horse-rider yet!!
Get over it.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 10, 2017 22:21:50 GMT
I’m not saying the economy is in rude health but am I correct in saying that the Economist has generally been anti Brexit? Therefore could those statements be anti Brexit spin? I’ll stand corrected on that as I am not a regular reader and it is only an impression I have gained on glancing through the magazine. Yes, The Economist was pro-remain / anti-Brexit, but from an "on balance the risks, rewards, costs, benefits, and opportunities suggest that staying in the EU is the better option" position than a "rah rah the EU is great" one. It really, really doesn't do spin. I don't think there's a better source of news and analysis available in the UK. One of the things I admire about it is their speed when it comes to correcting things, and apologising for things where necessary. That, as far as I can tell, is unique. Certainly politicians of all stripes could learn a thing or two from their approach to that. I'm 100% atheist, the only thing I am messianic about is the value of reading The Economist . This post confirms what i have been saying about leftism being some new kind of religion. Thank you
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Post by chielamangus on Jun 11, 2017 6:48:41 GMT
Not really debatable in the forseeable future - see e.g. www.economist.com/news/leaders/21723191-conservatives-botched-campaign-will-bring-chaosand-opportunities-theresa-mays-failed-gamble"the economy is heading for the rocks in a way that few have yet registered. Whereas in 2016 the economy defied the Brexit referendum to grow at the fastest pace in the G7, in the first quarter of this year it was the slowest. Unemployment is at its lowest in decades, but with inflation at a three-year high and rising, real wages are falling. Tax revenues and growth will suffer as inward investment falls and net migration of skilled Europeans tails off. Voters are blissfully unaware of the coming crunch. Just when they have signalled at the ballot box that they have had enough of austerity, they are about to face even harder times." Only really debatable in relation to a very long time hence, and whether the very real pain we are about to endure will have been worth it and the losses can be made up. If you believe The Economist, you will believe anything. They have peddled a narrow, text book, view of the economy, combined with a condescending arrogance, for decades now. I stopped my subscription about 20 years ago. One of their many problems is that they treat labour just as a factor of production, and not as human. They have no idea, trapped in their London or New York bubbles, what really makes us tick. It's not all about money. There are many other motivations in life. And that is one view of mine that has never changed in 60 years, even in the years when I was money-poor or "just about managing".
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Post by chielamangus on Jun 11, 2017 6:59:17 GMT
Almost as dishonest as the Leave Campaign me thinks, was that a saving of £350m a week that we can then spend on the NHS I recall them promising! Correction: that claim was made by the Johnson/Gove wing, and repudiated by the Farage wing at the time. I think most people were voting on broader issues than exactly how many of our own billions we would actually get back. Very large numbers mean very little to most people.
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) getting a sense of 1974 deja vu - Tory PM calls election to get authority, loses majority, cant form govt, other bunch forms minority govt and then calls election in Oct. And wins.
You can do loads with £35
