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Post by macq on Oct 26, 2021 16:36:11 GMT
I think people are (slowly) coming around to the idea of stopping waste even if part of it is based on cost or going Green etc.But it will be a slow process i.e if insulate Britain got their wish and every house where i lived was insulated then that would be a start and i would assume they would be happy.But changes in life mean most of the houses around here are now lit up longer and in more rooms then they were 20 years ago due to the family no longer being together but spread around the home using tech/gaming or streaming so there is an uptick in energy there. Yes bulbs/batteries & Green energy are making a difference but how much energy worldwide would be saved if people were not charging their phones/tablets/laptops etc every day by giving up not watching cat videos on Youtube,updating social media every 2 minutes (or looking at forums ) or browsing ebay and a million other things It always seems weird when say the BBC do a program on plastic or energy and then say stream it on a mainly plastic device using energy or Netflix or Amazon do a program on the same subject which you stream via a plastic streaming stick of which a new model comes out every year As you and Bobo said we can all do our bit but the people who want the whole industrial revolution genie put back in the bottle within a few years might be asking to much and will probably be led by business & entrepreneurs rather then govt's No putting the genie back is crazy, but it doesn't mean we have to have all the c@ p along with most of the benefits agree about the c**p (this really is a polite forum) and agree with many measures - but my point about putting the genie back in the bottle was referring to the time scale people want to work to on many measures i.e 5 to 10 years for a complete change (which by the way would be great) Erosion in the Thames estuary has uncovered the layers in landfills which contain glass & tin etc from 40's/50's with nylon and clothes from the 60's and plastic from late 60's on-wards. The reaction to fat burgers has been for the makers of wet wipes and make-up wipes to change to things like bamboo or other eco paper with water not chemicals is just One example of how people & companies are re-acting more now then they have ever done (profits help as well) If people are told that recycling is not working because its only at 45% and has really only been a thing since the 80's with bottle banks and councils getting involved then they will stop and we go backwards. Are we doing things quick enough - probably not but we now seem to be entering a time when even doing something can be seen as a negative rather then a step in the right direction because a lot of the time we seem to be arguing over time scales which stop things from starting in the first place
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Post by longjohn on Oct 26, 2021 17:21:07 GMT
Would agree about usage and battery life and i did mention the improvements - but my point was if you times that usage by the billions of devices worldwide that were not around 15 - 20 years ago then we are negating some of the improvements somewhat (and the fact every 9/12 months a "new" topline phone comes out) More than compensated by all the improvements in efficiency elsewhere... Total electricity consumption in the UK has fallen by ~15% in the last two decades, despite all those extra devices, server rooms, electric cars... OTOH, LED bulbs etc etc...
Don't forget that all the domestic and factory roofed solar panels are not metered. We do not know how much electricity they produce but we can see the net effect by a reduction in metered electricity consumption as shown in the chart. I'm betting that real consumption has increased in the last 15 years especially as we now have a lot more electric cars on the road. There is a reason that the government want to limit car charging in the evening. Consumption is getting close to maximum generation and the potential for blackouts is very real.
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Post by macq on Oct 26, 2021 21:48:23 GMT
Indeed, I believe a typical phone uses less than £2 of electricity over an entire year. At an estimated 80+ million active devices in the UK someones on a nice little earner
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Post by keitha on Oct 26, 2021 22:31:27 GMT
Indeed, I believe a typical phone uses less than £2 of electricity over an entire year. At an estimated 80+ million active devices in the Uk someones on a nice little earner It's scary how many devices some people have
I know only a couple of pounds each a year but :-
Work Phone Personal Phone Tablet IHD for smart meter etc
Of course they also say this is based on 2-3 hours to charge, and not the slow trickle that these devices use when not charging.
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Post by mogish on Oct 27, 2021 8:21:03 GMT
The deposit returns scheme for drinks cans and bottles is a good start. Apart from environmental gains it will also help to have cleaner streets. Our local lidl has a reverse vending machine offering 10p back for bottles or cans bought in store. Gotta be a positive move.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 9:16:00 GMT
The Danish system has been operating for a fair few years now and the results are astonishing. Up to 97% figures are achieved.
As a regular litter picker, expecting people to cut down on litter because of altruism is waste of time.
Of course this would require a muppet government to want to learn from that big blobby thing over in the east of us.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 27, 2021 9:20:27 GMT
As a regular litter picker, expecting people to cut down on litter because of altruism is waste of time. We had a village litter pick weekend in the summer. Loads of volunteers, lots of stuff collected. And within a week, the verges were just as bad. It's depressing. What's worse is the amount of McDogbits wrappers - the nearest is TWENTY SODDING MILES AWAY. They've had the stuff in the car or van for that long, why not keep it until they see a flippin' bin?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 9:22:47 GMT
I began a daily FB campaign against McDoos doodoos, I had a franchise owner ask me to stop as "why are you attacking my business model in the middle of Covid"..... "cause your business model sucks"
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2021 9:40:47 GMT
The deposit returns scheme for drinks cans and bottles is a good start. Apart from environmental gains it will also help to have cleaner streets. Our local lidl has a reverse vending machine offering 10p back for bottles or cans bought in store. Gotta be a positive move. one wonders how it knows that the bottle came from aldi I believe that Lincoln Sainsburys did a trial of a reverse vend where it gave a 5p voucher for recycling cans bottles etc, I don't know if it's been updated but in the early days it was bottle in voucher out, no option to feed all the bottles in and get a £2.55 or whatever voucher at the end
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Post by adrianc on Oct 27, 2021 10:02:10 GMT
The deposit returns scheme for drinks cans and bottles is a good start. Apart from environmental gains it will also help to have cleaner streets. Our local lidl has a reverse vending machine offering 10p back for bottles or cans bought in store. Gotta be a positive move. one wonders how it knows that the bottle came from aldi Scan the barcode on the label...? But the deposits are not vendor-dependent. This is absolutely bog-standard in other countries, and has been for decades. EVERY single supermarket, no matter how small, in quite a few countries...
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Post by agent69 on Oct 27, 2021 10:16:37 GMT
Less than a tenth of all the plastic ever produced has been recycled, less than a hundredth of it more than once. Britain creates more than any country apart from the U.S., annually producing more than five million tonnes. Enough to fill Wembley Stadium six times over.
About 17 per cent of it is dumped in landfills and 46 per cent incinerated. The rest, ministers tell us, is recycled. But that is garbage. In fact more than half of what remains, some 19 per cent, is exported overseas, ostensibly to be recycled, but — scandalously — often to be dumped, polluting land and waterways and endangering health.
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2021 15:03:50 GMT
adrianc I agree with the idea,but I wouldn't want to be in the queue in sainsburys when someone decides to use the 250 5p vouchers they'e been accumulating for months i'd have though one voucher per trip was better and slightly greener than one per bottle. Perhaps a side effect:- cleaner streets, people picking up discarded cans and bottles to turn in for vouchers
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2021 15:08:49 GMT
Less than a tenth of all the plastic ever produced has been recycled, less than a hundredth of it more than once. Britain creates more than any country apart from the U.S., annually producing more than five million tonnes. Enough to fill Wembley Stadium six times over.
That is of course perfectly reasonable maths if 1/10 bottles is recycled then the odds on any bit of plastic in a bottle being recycled twice is 1/100. Shocked it's that low I recycle every plastic bottle I use and every tin can. Having said which I can't guarantee what happens once the council collects it
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Post by aj on Oct 27, 2021 15:19:35 GMT
I began a daily FB campaign against McDoos doodoos, I had a franchise owner ask me to stop as "why are you attacking my business model in the middle of Covid"..... "cause your business model sucks" 1. Legislate to print the car registration, perhaps in a QR code on all drivethough meal bags/boxes via ANPR. 2. Council litter pickers scan these codes on dumped rubbish they find. 3. Automatically send out "Please dispose of your litter correctly" letters, followed by fines for repeat/regular offenders.
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Post by keitha on Oct 27, 2021 15:24:02 GMT
I couldn't believe they were allowed to have drive throughs open when we were supposed not to be making unnecessary journeys
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