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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 22:01:12 GMT
How can a society that cannot even control wet wipes be expected to handle climate change?
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Post by keitha on Oct 25, 2021 22:06:14 GMT
One of the big issues is so many are marketed as flushable
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Post by mogish on Oct 26, 2021 7:04:31 GMT
Unfortunately I think we all want to be green but nobody wants to change. I believe this is what's coming out of Cop 26 with many countries refusing to budge. Maybe greta was right. Too much talking and no action. Admittedly I'm no better, 10 year old diesel car or is that a good thing as I'm not continually replacing stuff?
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 26, 2021 7:17:36 GMT
How can a society that cannot even control wet wipes be expected to handle climate change? @bobo How can a society who's Prime Minister thinks its smart to tell young kids that recycling plastic is pointless hope to lead a summit aimed at addressing the biggest of environmental problems.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 7:31:35 GMT
Boris didn't say it was pointless, he said it didn't work. It doesn't. If you believe the data we hit 45 % recycle.
Probably the most sensible thing the clown has said for months. We give multi use plastic a pass, but plastic sheds plastic. Multi-use is a gate way for fossil fuels.
The issue that stuff is flushable is weird at so many levels. Do you think some people even read the label? Clearly the labels require no testing and have no specification, but even if they did do we really think people would read?
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 26, 2021 7:50:20 GMT
Boris didn't say it was pointless, he said it didn't work. It doesn't. If you believe the data we hit 45 % recycle.
Probably the most sensible thing the clown has said for months. We give multi use plastic a pass, but plastic sheds plastic. Multi-use is a gate way for fossil fuels. The issue that stuff is flushable is weird at so many levels. Do you think some people even read the label? Clearly the labels require no testing and have no specification, but even if they did do we really think people would read? Don't agree. If he was talking to adults and had that as part of a rational conversation about merits/balance of reduce vs reuse vs recycle then fine. But the message his reported line gives to kids is it isn't worth recycling: that's what makes it an idiot thing to say. But of course the clown generally isn't capable of expounding a rational argument of more than a few sentences anyway since he lives in a world of soundbites. We aren't going to eliminate plastic tomorrow. And one can argue that we shouldn't given there are many jobs for which it has significant benefits until we find suitable alternatives. Therefore we have to deal with the issue of reuse, recycle and ultimately appropriate disposal. It would help if we ensure that recycling took place within our own borders or at least to places where we had proper oversight of it rather than simply ship it to far off places to be someone else's problem meaning it ultimately still becomes everyone's problem. I'd far rather see safe proper disposal here under UK waste handling regulations than have it shipped 'somewhere else' for imagined recycling. Going to registerme 's earlier post about Jonathan Pie. His line about BJs speech to the Tory Party conference is a wonderful summary of how I feel about most of BJs delivery: "Boris’ speech: blah blah blah, serious face, something Latin, smirk, railway tunnel, levelling up, old Greek myth, mess your hair about a bit, levelling up, cavalry, somber face, levelling up, a joke about beavers. The end." Still, I haven't actually listened to his conference speech, so can't judge for myself, but I suspect its not terribly far from the truth. Especially the bit about some inappropriate fall flat joke about beavers which would probably have had the bullingdon club in stitches. EDIT: Actually, probably not the Bullingdon club: they were too grown up. But would probably have had the fresher's class at Eton in giggles. (Except I doubt its called 'freshers' as that would be too plebbian).
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Post by adrianc on Oct 26, 2021 7:54:08 GMT
Boris didn't say it was pointless, he said it didn't work. It doesn't. Except it does work. It works when you compare it to not recycling, to sending everything plastic to "landfill" (it often isn't really landfill - it's burnt for energy round here). What it ISN'T is a substitute for reducing consumption, and for using more easily reusable and recyclable materials. Admittedly I'm no better, 10 year old diesel car or is that a good thing as I'm not continually replacing stuff? <points at logo again> Of course it's better to extend the life of a vehicle than to replace it. The current big issue with diesels of that age is a localised air quality one - the changes to diesel engines in the late 90s, early 00s to increase combustion efficiency and reduce particulate emissions brought increases in NOx emissions - and that's very localised, around urban main roads. That's why there's things like the ULEZ in London and similar clean air zones in other cities. The apparent disparity between exemption for petrol (Euro4, 2005ish) and diesel (Euro6, 2015ish) is because that's the point at which NOx emissions reached their current (Euro6) cap - 0.08g/km for diesels. Euro4 brought diesel NOx down from 0.5 to 0.25g, Euro5 (2009ish) to 0.18g. It's better to extend the life than to replace it, but it's even better to use it less - ESPECIALLY in crowded urban centres...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 8:10:04 GMT
I don't think that something that works less than half the time "works" but I do understand your frustrations and the mixed messages Boris gives all the time.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 26, 2021 8:17:22 GMT
I'm surprised that it's not already greater. The problem is that while the developed world has massively reduced coal use, the developing world is still using it heavily... The answer to that, of course, is not to deprive the developing world of energy sources - but to help them to use cleaner ones. 100% of plastic going to waste is a lot more than 55% of plastic going to waste, isn't it?
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Post by overthehill on Oct 26, 2021 8:42:52 GMT
I don't know what triggered this thread but none of the plastic based wet wipes I've ever used stated on the packet they were flushable.
I don't know why it is taking so long to get rid of the plastic type but the new flushable 100% biodegradeable plant based wipes are cheaper and better, not sure for babies? A surprisingly high water content of 99% which I have not heard verified by anybody I trust yet, I suppose the plant itself is 50-90% water. I still don't flush them.
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Post by macq on Oct 26, 2021 8:44:43 GMT
I don't think that something that works less than half the time "works" but I do understand your frustrations and the mixed messages Boris gives all the time.
i can see where your coming from but if you want things to change then getting to half the time from Zero seems a start and is happening because people are at least trying and from there hopefully the message would change to reducing consumption
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Post by macq on Oct 26, 2021 8:49:47 GMT
How can a society that cannot even control wet wipes be expected to handle climate change? They have been in the news over the years but I would say that as a product they have their uses and efforts have been made over the last couple of years to make them safer - now as for a society that covers lashes & nails with plastic Ones most of which are not eco friendly...
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Post by keitha on Oct 26, 2021 9:24:32 GMT
I don't think that something that works less than half the time "works" but I do understand your frustrations and the mixed messages Boris gives all the time.
That Made me think of an old episode of Last of the Summer Wine Foggy ( I think ) is persuaded by Auntie Wainwright to buy a lawn mower When He takes it back to get his money back her explanation is :- You Use it 1 hours a week lets see that's 1 out of 168 and you use it 6 months of the year, So it does exactly what you need it to do 99.7% of the time
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 9:44:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 9:49:55 GMT
I don't think that something that works less than half the time "works" but I do understand your frustrations and the mixed messages Boris gives all the time.
That Made me think of an old episode of Last of the Summer Wine Foggy ( I think ) is persuaded by Auntie Wainwright to buy a lawn mower When He takes it back to get his money back her explanation is :- You Use it 1 hours a week lets see that's 1 out of 168 and you use it 6 months of the year, So it does exactly what you need it to do 99.7% of the time Keith, I like the joke but you know that is a miss-use of statistics, there is a strong difference in the mathematical handling of continual streams (sic) of occurences and random intermittent occurences
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