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Post by registerme on Jul 12, 2022 14:32:24 GMT
I think Labour would choose to run against Liz Truss, who unless I'm mistaken is living dis-proof of The Peter Principle, the worlds most over-promoted politician. I see your Peter Principle and raise you Pritti Patel.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 12, 2022 14:38:57 GMT
I think Labour would choose to run against Liz Truss, who unless I'm mistaken is living dis-proof of The Peter Principle, the worlds most over-promoted politician. I see your Peter Principle and raise you Pritti Patel. She, is not runin
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Post by overthehill on Jul 12, 2022 14:52:42 GMT
It's a very interesting field of candidates. Refreshing to see people from minority backgrounds right up there. I was musing as to why, while their politics do not suit me, I find their Labour opposites more irritating. I think it's because the Tories just get on with it, while the Labour equivalents tend to add identity politics. While I do not like the political system that leaves the electorate with what can be percieved broadly as a choice between two candidates, the system that brought you Johnson or Corbyn, I recognise that fair votes and PR is a long way off, so the question for the Conservatives should be, who is Labour afraid of? Who does Labour want you to pick. I think Labour could be in trouble faced with Richi, the Saj, Tom Tug, and they would be D-e-e-e-lighted with Suella. But that's an unlikely choice. I think Labour would choose to run against Liz Truss, who unless I'm mistaken is living dis-proof of The Peter Principle, the worlds most over-promoted politician.
I think you're getting a bit carried away. You're looking at the other candidates and stating that Liz Truss is the most over-promoted politician in the world, not even the UK. Name anyone who has done a better job in any of her previous posts. Women don't get promoted for being useless like it is with men. Remember Dominic Raab, promoted to deputy prime minister who said on live tv the police don't investigate past crimes retrospectively - only future crimes apparently! I would trust her before a very long list of conservatives and she voted remain so that seals it.
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Post by overthehill on Jul 12, 2022 14:55:52 GMT
I see your Peter Principle and raise you Pritti Patel. She, is not runin
As Frankie Boyle said it's incredible what you can achieve as Home secretary if you put a black wig on a crocodile.
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Post by travolta on Jul 12, 2022 14:56:17 GMT
Awful lot . I think I'll sell my vote.
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Post by james100 on Jul 12, 2022 14:59:49 GMT
Awful lot . I think I'll sell my vote. But if you have to make a choice, who would you go for? I am genuinely interested.
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Post by james100 on Jul 12, 2022 15:00:52 GMT
Why is Penny Mordaunt even on the list? What is she doing there? How can she possibly be seen as a serious contender?
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Post by Steerpike on Jul 12, 2022 15:23:54 GMT
Sunak is an election loser and I am surprised that PM has so much support for PM but I'm in Gove corner.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 12, 2022 15:38:54 GMT
It's a very interesting field of candidates. Refreshing to see people from minority backgrounds right up there. I was musing as to why, while their politics do not suit me, I find their Labour opposites more irritating. I think it's because the Tories just get on with it, while the Labour equivalents tend to add identity politics. While I do not like the political system that leaves the electorate with what can be percieved broadly as a choice between two candidates, the system that brought you Johnson or Corbyn, I recognise that fair votes and PR is a long way off, so the question for the Conservatives should be, who is Labour afraid of? Who does Labour want you to pick. I think Labour could be in trouble faced with Richi, the Saj, Tom Tug, and they would be D-e-e-e-lighted with Suella. But that's an unlikely choice. I think Labour would choose to run against Liz Truss, who unless I'm mistaken is living dis-proof of The Peter Principle, the worlds most over-promoted politician.
I think you're getting a bit carried away. You're looking at the other candidates and stating that Liz Truss is the most over-promoted politician in the world, not even the UK. Name anyone who has done a better job in any of her previous posts. Women don't get promoted for being useless like it is with men. Remember Dominic Raab, promoted to deputy prime minister who said on live tv the police don't investigate past crimes retrospectively - only future crimes apparently! I would trust her before a very long list of conservatives and she voted remain so that seals it.
I like your post very much but I don't agree. People get promoted in British political parties not on talent in the main, but in orthodoxy or in usefulness of fool. Suella Braverman was not made AG because she was a top legal brain or had the independence of judgement essential for that key constitutional position. Truss has simply shown the necessary flexibility of opinion to keep getting promoted. Getting hung up on his own principles is what is likely to stop Sunak becoming PM. In my opinion, the best leader for the country and the one most likely to beat Starmer, would be Jeremy Hunt. But the best leader for the Tory party would be a professional lion-tamer.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 12, 2022 16:23:36 GMT
My £2.05 per month got me to dispose our previous MP, to be one in a hundred to select my new MP, to be one in a 100K or so to select the current PM and to be one in 200K to select the new one. So my paid vote is worth something like 500-1000 times more than yours.
Don't see much difference between this and other one party states e.g. China. Not sure what the solution is as PR wouldn't appear at first glance to fix that problem.
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 12, 2022 16:34:18 GMT
My £2.05 per month got me to dispose our previous MP, to be one in a hundred to select my new MP, to be one in a 100K or so to select the current PM and to be one in 200K to select the new one. So my paid vote is worth something like 500-1000 times more than yours. Don't see much difference between this and other one party states e.g. China. Not sure what the solution is as PR wouldn't appear at first glance to fix that problem. You mean apart from the 4 votes youve had ... plus the one you didnt pay for which actually decided who your MP was the government & PM. Of course during the 2000s you £2.05 a month would have been worth infinitely less ... how much its worth on your criteria likely depends on where you live of course.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 12, 2022 17:11:34 GMT
My £2.05 per month got me to dispose our previous MP, to be one in a hundred to select my new MP, to be one in a 100K or so to select the current PM and to be one in 200K to select the new one. So my paid vote is worth something like 500-1000 times more than yours. Don't see much difference between this and other one party states e.g. China. Not sure what the solution is as PR wouldn't appear at first glance to fix that problem. Dispose of, or did he cross the floor of his own volition ?
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 12, 2022 17:39:20 GMT
My £2.05 per month got me to dispose our previous MP, to be one in a hundred to select my new MP, to be one in a 100K or so to select the current PM and to be one in 200K to select the new one. So my paid vote is worth something like 500-1000 times more than yours. Don't see much difference between this and other one party states e.g. China. Not sure what the solution is as PR wouldn't appear at first glance to fix that problem. In a PR system, the PM usually emerges from the largest party in the coalition. But they don't carry the enormously centralised power that the UK PM has when their party has a solid majority (strong local and regional governments being a feature of those countries). This current process is more like a coronation than a democratic process. I wouldn't mind, but setting aside the ability of the ruling party to do practically anything they like in their 5 years, unrestrained by the powerless 'official opposition', I think the UK parliamentary set-up is inefficient in carrying into law the wishes of the majority of people on hundreds of different issues. If you look at the Private Member's Bills, you see a system set up that is capable of working as these do tend to focus on specific issues that manifestly need parliamentary attention, but it is also conventional now that these are rejected no matter how much merit they have. I would also point as an example to assisted dying, something granted to your dog but not to you. Public opinion overwhelmingly accepts it. The surrounding like-minded democracys all have strictly supervised legal systems for helping people end their lives providing examples of well regulated systems that protect the vulnerable but due to parliamentary stymie, our citizens are still forced ontoc a plane to Switzerland.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 12, 2022 18:08:03 GMT
My £2.05 per month got me to dispose our previous MP, to be one in a hundred to select my new MP, to be one in a 100K or so to select the current PM and to be one in 200K to select the new one. So my paid vote is worth something like 500-1000 times more than yours. Don't see much difference between this and other one party states e.g. China. Not sure what the solution is as PR wouldn't appear at first glance to fix that problem. In a PR system, the PM usually emerges from the largest party in the coalition. But they don't carry the enormously centralised power that the UK PM has when their party has a solid majority (strong local and regional governments being a feature of those countries). This current process is more like a coronation than a democratic process. I wouldn't mind, but setting aside the ability of the ruling party to do practically anything they like in their 5 years, unrestrained by the powerless 'official opposition', I think the UK parliamentary set-up is inefficient in carrying into law the wishes of the majority of people on hundreds of different issues. If you look at the Private Member's Bills, you see a system set up that is capable of working as these do tend to focus on specific issues that manifestly need parliamentary attention, but it is also conventional now that these are rejected no matter how much merit they have. I would also point as an example to assisted dying, something granted to your dog but not to you. Public opinion overwhelmingly accepts it. The surrounding like-minded democracys all have strictly supervised legal systems for helping people end their lives providing examples of well regulated systems that protect the vulnerable but due to parliamentary stymie, our citizens are still forced ontoc a plane to Switzerland. I agree with you about pets having more rights in that regard. I also think PR of some sort is a good idea. However, PR doesn't solve the issue of members of parties having a disproportionate amount of electoral power.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 12, 2022 18:17:31 GMT
In a PR system, the PM usually emerges from the largest party in the coalition. But they don't carry the enormously centralised power that the UK PM has when their party has a solid majority (strong local and regional governments being a feature of those countries). This current process is more like a coronation than a democratic process. I wouldn't mind, but setting aside the ability of the ruling party to do practically anything they like in their 5 years, unrestrained by the powerless 'official opposition', I think the UK parliamentary set-up is inefficient in carrying into law the wishes of the majority of people on hundreds of different issues. If you look at the Private Member's Bills, you see a system set up that is capable of working as these do tend to focus on specific issues that manifestly need parliamentary attention, but it is also conventional now that these are rejected no matter how much merit they have. I would also point as an example to assisted dying, something granted to your dog but not to you. Public opinion overwhelmingly accepts it. The surrounding like-minded democracys all have strictly supervised legal systems for helping people end their lives providing examples of well regulated systems that protect the vulnerable but due to parliamentary stymie, our citizens are still forced ontoc a plane to Switzerland. I agree with you about pets having more rights in that regard. I also think PR of some sort is a good idea. However, PR doesn't solve the issue of members of parties having a disproportionate amount of electoral power. In the UK, that's only true if you are a member of one of the main two parties. Ask a member of the Green Party how disproportionate their power is. I'm not wedded to PR as an absolute necessity for the UK, but levelling up the power of local and regional governments and funding them properly, that's what needs change. Their job seems to be to cut their budgets further and take the blame for poor services, so it's no wonder it doesn't attract high calibre candidates. Bring politics closer to the people, and you'd see highly successful local politicians rise to the national parliament, taking their local knowledge with them.
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