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Post by captainconfident on Jul 13, 2022 19:14:15 GMT
I know what james100 is referring to. The playing on racial prejudice lie. Penny Mordaunt, she was made Defence Secretary a couple of years ago and people said, yeah, used to be in the army. But she was ditched in short order. If she had been shaping up to be good at the first major cabinet job she had got, I would have thought she would have been kept on. I wouldn't listen to people ... she is a Navy Reservist (not army & never a regular)... I suspect being the first female Armed Forces minister was more of a factor. She has worked in multiple depts including cabinet posts of Int Dev & Defence so is actually the most experienced candidate. Getting sacked by Boris might be considered a bonus by some. You're right! Now I've Wikipediaed it, she has had any number of jobs. I can only explain the "Who's that?" factor as she not being allowed to do media interviews since the Andrew Marr debacle and apparently a far from satisfactory recent appearence on Mumsnet. The more interesting "Who's that?" is Kemi Badenoch, who has a surprising amount of support. I would imagine that she woiuld be Labour's worst nightmare and Mordaunt, unless there are some well hidden qualities, Labour's main hope. Here's an interesting article - yes, I know it's in The Guardian so it will not be bigging up a particular candidate but it does state some truths about this 'election'. It simply is not good enough to say "I believe in cutting tax", I would cut this tax, that tax. Where is the thought that has gone into the effect desired by each of these cuts in relation to the current dire economic situation? Where is the real world in all of this. The answer is that none of these candidates seems to see that the pressure cooker is on the lowest paid, direly in need of precise targeting while the rest of us need to have it explained that if we hold tight, these leaders can steer us clear of trouble in mapped out specific ways. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/13/natural-party-of-government-tories-leadership-election
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Post by registerme on Jul 13, 2022 19:54:14 GMT
I wouldn't listen to people ... she is a Navy Reservist (not army & never a regular)... I suspect being the first female Armed Forces minister was more of a factor. She has worked in multiple depts including cabinet posts of Int Dev & Defence so is actually the most experienced candidate. Getting sacked by Boris might be considered a bonus by some. You're right! Now I've Wikipediaed it, she has had any number of jobs. I can only explain the "Who's that?" factor as she not being allowed to do media interviews since the Andrew Marr debacle and apparently a far from satisfactory recent appearence on Mumsnet. The more interesting "Who's that?" is Kemi Badenoch, who has a surprising amount of support. I would imagine that she woiuld be Labour's worst nightmare and Mordaunt, unless there are some well hidden qualities, Labour's main hope. Here's an interesting article - yes, I know it's in The Guardian so it will not be bigging up a particular candidate but it does state some truths about this 'election'. It simply is not good enough to say "I believe in cutting tax", I would cut this tax, that tax. Where is the thought that has gone into the effect desired by each of these cuts in relation to the current dire economic situation? Where is the real world in all of this. The answer is that none of these candidates seems to see that the pressure cooker is on the lowest paid, direly in need of precise targeting while the rest of us need to have it explained that if we hold tight, these leaders can steer us clear of trouble in mapped out specific ways. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/13/natural-party-of-government-tories-leadership-electionSomehow I suspect it's unlikely that any of the candidates will trumpet their heartfelt desire to increase Universal Credit.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 13, 2022 20:51:37 GMT
You're right! Now I've Wikipediaed it, she has had any number of jobs. I can only explain the "Who's that?" factor as she not being allowed to do media interviews since the Andrew Marr debacle and apparently a far from satisfactory recent appearence on Mumsnet. The more interesting "Who's that?" is Kemi Badenoch, who has a surprising amount of support. I would imagine that she woiuld be Labour's worst nightmare and Mordaunt, unless there are some well hidden qualities, Labour's main hope. Here's an interesting article - yes, I know it's in The Guardian so it will not be bigging up a particular candidate but it does state some truths about this 'election'. It simply is not good enough to say "I believe in cutting tax", I would cut this tax, that tax. Where is the thought that has gone into the effect desired by each of these cuts in relation to the current dire economic situation? Where is the real world in all of this. The answer is that none of these candidates seems to see that the pressure cooker is on the lowest paid, direly in need of precise targeting while the rest of us need to have it explained that if we hold tight, these leaders can steer us clear of trouble in mapped out specific ways. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/13/natural-party-of-government-tories-leadership-electionSomehow I suspect it's unlikely that any of the candidates will trumpet their heartfelt desire to increase Universal Credit. Well exactly, this is what I think is needed, made simple by the structuring of Universal Credit. I do think that restructuring benefits into this single payment structure was a great achievement, in fact a Conservative party achievement. Why not embrace that as a conservative value, bridging the gap between benefits and work? The fact that the UC mechanism exists means simply increasing it IS the targeting of the poor and left behind that the gvt talks about, but does not do. People on this forum for instance, don't need tax cuts or emergency fuel subsidies.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 13, 2022 21:03:04 GMT
Here's an interesting article - yes, I know it's in The Guardian so it will not be bigging up a particular candidate but it does state some truths about this 'election'. It simply is not good enough to say "I believe in cutting tax", I would cut this tax, that tax. Where is the thought that has gone into the effect desired by each of these cuts in relation to the current dire economic situation? Where is the real world in all of this. The answer is that none of these candidates seems to see that the pressure cooker is on the lowest paid, direly in need of precise targeting while the rest of us need to have it explained that if we hold tight, these leaders can steer us clear of trouble in mapped out specific ways. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/13/natural-party-of-government-tories-leadership-electionSomehow I suspect it's unlikely that any of the candidates will trumpet their heartfelt desire to increase Universal Credit. They're all playing to their actual audience at the moment. Other Tory MPs. In a few days, that focus'll turn to the NEXT actual audience - Tory party members. If any of them say they plan to increase tax to increase UC to help ease the cost of living crisis - or to stop antagonising the neighbours - or to address the NI Protocol/GFA dog's brexit by moving GB back towards CU/SM... or do ANYTHING against those audience's demands... that's just instant career suicide. UC should indeed be an absolute gem of a policy, and should be popular across the nation. What's not to like about the concept? Taking umpteen disparate benefits, applied for separately, managed separately, and rolling them into a single system? Unfortunately, it was about as badly managed as you'd expect from something that IBS's fingerprints are all over. IBS, by the way, has outed himself as a Trussticle supporter. Meanwhile, the Daily Wail has decided they hate Sunak - how surprising. And Penny Mordor seems to have Michael Fabriconditioner on board - that's surely the kiss of death?
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Post by registerme on Jul 13, 2022 21:05:33 GMT
Somehow I suspect it's unlikely that any of the candidates will trumpet their heartfelt desire to increase Universal Credit. They're all playing to their actual audience at the moment. Other Tory MPs. In a few days, that focus'll turn to the NEXT actual audience - Tory party members. If any of them say they plan to increase tax to increase UC to help ease the cost of living crisis - or to stop antagonising the neighbours - or to address the NI Protocol/GFA dog's brexit by moving GB back towards CU/SM... or do ANYTHING against those audience's demands... that's just instant career suicide. That was my point .
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Post by overthehill on Jul 13, 2022 21:49:01 GMT
I'm as mystified as you on this. I know her by name, but otherwise she barely registers on the 'what has she done/what does she think' scales. A friend of mine met her once. He describes her as "dull as a brush".
I used to blame a knockback on being a lesbian not dull as a brush...
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Post by michaelc on Jul 13, 2022 21:54:45 GMT
Is UC anymore than a branding exercise ? i.e. Just take most of the existing benefits and call them "elements of UC".
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Post by adrianc on Jul 13, 2022 22:23:09 GMT
Is UC anymore than a branding exercise ? i.e. Just take most of the existing benefits and call them "elements of UC". Yes. They were completely separate systems and applications, now they're all one integrated one.
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Post by littleoldlady on Jul 14, 2022 6:56:50 GMT
To make Universal Credit work properly it had to be made, err, universal, ie paid to everyone so there is no disincentive to working. AFAIK no state has yet tried this and it might be best to wait until somewhere like Sweden has tested the water, but it is an interesting idea and economically sound in theory.
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 14, 2022 7:02:29 GMT
To make Universal Credit work properly it had to be made, err, universal, ie paid to everyone so there is no disincentive to working. AFAIK no state has yet tried this and it might be best to wait until somewhere like Sweden has tested the water, but it is an interesting idea and economically sound in theory. Finland tried universal income ... IIRC it was abandoned before the experiment completed
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Post by adrianc on Jul 14, 2022 7:33:45 GMT
To make Universal Credit work properly it had to be made, err, universal, ie paid to everyone so there is no disincentive to working. AFAIK no state has yet tried this and it might be best to wait until somewhere like Sweden has tested the water, but it is an interesting idea and economically sound in theory. Finland tried universal income ... IIRC it was abandoned before the experiment completed No, the two-year, 2,000 person trial completed - and was broadly successful, but difficult to be sure because it overlapped with other benefit changes, so there was no real control group. www.newscientist.com/article/2242937-universal-basic-income-seems-to-improve-employment-and-well-being/"Between November 2017 and October 2018, people on basic income worked an average of 78 days, which was six days more than those on unemployment benefits.
There was a greater increase in employment for people in families with children, as well as those whose first language wasn’t Finnish or Swedish – but the researchers aren’t yet sure why.
When surveyed, people who received universal basic income instead of regular unemployment benefits reported better financial well-being, mental health and cognitive functioning, as well as higher levels of confidence in the future. ... The findings suggest that basic income doesn’t seem to provide a disincentive for people to work.
However, the effect of basic income was complicated by legislation known as the “activation model”, which the Finnish government introduced at the beginning of 2018. It made the conditions for accessing unemployment benefits stricter.
The timing made it difficult to separate the effects of the basic income experiment from the policy change, said Ylikännö. “We can only say that the employment effect that we observed was as a joint result of the experiment and activation model,” she said."
Spain were looking at implementing a trial in the early stages of the pandemic, too. www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-economy/spain-to-pay-basic-income-to-help-poorest-weather-coronavirus-idUSKBN21Z18X
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Post by registerme on Jul 14, 2022 7:42:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 8:19:51 GMT
The USA tried universal income in a small town, it was generally successful, the data was then "corrected" so that Nixon was shown that it was a failure. On such science great things are grwon.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 14, 2022 8:24:10 GMT
I know what james100 is referring to. The playing on racial prejudice lie. Penny Mordaunt, she was made Defence Secretary a couple of years ago and people said, yeah, used to be in the army. But she was ditched in short order. If she had been shaping up to be good at the first major cabinet job she had got, I would have thought she would have been kept on. I wouldn't listen to people ... she is a Navy Reservist (not army & never a regular)... I suspect being the first female Armed Forces minister was more of a factor. She has worked in multiple depts including cabinet posts of Int Dev & Defence so is actually the most experienced candidate. Getting sacked by Boris might be considered a bonus by some. Another possible factor in her getting sacked could have been that she had backed Jeremy Hunt in the prior leadership contest. Putting her in the cabinet might have been seen as being magnanimous, but it would hardly be a surprise if the Bumbling Blonde Buffoon's insatiable ego was harbouring a festering grudge and he dumped her when it was OK to do so. Just read a profile of her in the Times. Interesting. P.S. Can't help noticing that her initials are PM, so clearly the outcome is pre-ordained.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 14, 2022 10:53:49 GMT
This kind of betting opportunity doesn't arise too often, but last night Betfair Exchange was offering 260 (259/1) on Suella Braverman. That's a real value bet with 6 runners, so I grabbed two quid's worth. The odds fluctuated and a few minutes later I was able to lay off the same £2 on her at 210. So if she wins I win £100 and if she loses I'm all square. Happy with that. She must be a real outsider though, because you can get 500/1 on her this morning.
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