adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Oct 17, 2022 12:11:25 GMT
If a man had done exactly the same as Truss up to this point then the reaction would have been totally different. Nope. Apart from anything else, who took all the flak for the budget? KamiKwazi, even though he was just delivering Truss's leadership promises. If a man had been so incompetent from day one, so utterly lost in press conferences, so empty-sounding, so wooden when he did speak, so utterly... USELESS... then they'd have had exactly the same reception.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 17, 2022 13:25:06 GMT
The mini-budget is no more. So... other than throwing however many tens of billions of pounds down the proverbial, putting our pensions at risk, trashing the reputation of the country, and holding a funeral, what else have our government achieved since the 6th September? Well, they have moved to reclassify most UK farmland so that farmers cannot decide to install solar generators, which is odd for libertarians in a fuel crisis www.ft.com/content/c40c33e2-0684-40de-a0af-1ec2e77e1abdThey have added clauses into the fuel bill subsidy legislation, allowing the Business Secretary to overrule Offgem. Which is congruent with their approach of handing 'Henry VIII' powers to overrule independent bodies such as the Electoral Commission and the Parliamentary Standards Committee.Truss also hinted at wanting powers to overule the Bank of England, but she is a busted flush. Giving powers to ministers that give them power over regulators, exclude their fiat decisions from Parliamentary debate has been a hallmark of the last few years. A sort of hubris that comes of assuming your party's perpetual rule. Now, having restructured the country in the style of an elected dictatorship, the last thing you want is to have an election.
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Post by james100 on Oct 17, 2022 13:37:58 GMT
If a man had done exactly the same as Truss up to this point then the reaction would have been totally different. Nope. Apart from anything else, who took all the flak for the budget? KamiKwazi, even though he was just delivering Truss's leadership promises. If a man had been so incompetent from day one, so utterly lost in press conferences, so empty-sounding, so wooden when he did speak, so utterly... USELESS... then they'd have had exactly the same reception. I agree with overthehill on this point (and I've previously made zero secret of considering her unsuitable for the job in comparison to Rishi). IMO her treatment this early in the job has been completely different from that of Boris Johnson who may have had the gift of the gab but little else, went AWOL at every opportunity, trashed our international standing, trade and mismanaged covid crisis. I still don't consider her a good PM in the slightest and I still hope Rishi Sunak replaces her, but there's no doubt in my mind that sexism and misogyny has fuelled the nature, and strength, of many comments I've seen directed towards her.
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Post by overthehill on Oct 17, 2022 14:32:01 GMT
Nope. Apart from anything else, who took all the flak for the budget? KamiKwazi, even though he was just delivering Truss's leadership promises. If a man had been so incompetent from day one, so utterly lost in press conferences, so empty-sounding, so wooden when he did speak, so utterly... USELESS... then they'd have had exactly the same reception. I agree with overthehill on this point (and I've previously made zero secret of considering her unsuitable for the job in comparison to Rishi). IMO her treatment this early in the job has been completely different from that of Boris Johnson who may have had the gift of the gab but little else, went AWOL at every opportunity, trashed our international standing, trade and mismanaged covid crisis. I still don't consider her a good PM in the slightest and I still hope Rishi Sunak replaces her, but there's no doubt in my mind that sexism and misogyny has fuelled the nature, and strength, of many comments I've seen directed towards her.
Also Labour overreact and patronise to any female leader as opposed to a man like Boris, that's why they've never elected one in 122 years.
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 17, 2022 14:45:01 GMT
Nope. Apart from anything else, who took all the flak for the budget? KamiKwazi, even though he was just delivering Truss's leadership promises. If a man had been so incompetent from day one, so utterly lost in press conferences, so empty-sounding, so wooden when he did speak, so utterly... USELESS... then they'd have had exactly the same reception. I agree with overthehill on this point (and I've previously made zero secret of considering her unsuitable for the job in comparison to Rishi). IMO her treatment this early in the job has been completely different from that of Boris Johnson who may have had the gift of the gab but little else, went AWOL at every opportunity, trashed our international standing, trade and mismanaged covid crisis. I still don't consider her a good PM in the slightest and I still hope Rishi Sunak replaces her, but there's no doubt in my mind that sexism and misogyny has fuelled the nature, and strength, of many comments I've seen directed towards her. I don't know how it is possible to make such a judgement. There has surely never been another time when someone so palpably inadequate for the job, on so many levels, has ever been put into the role and made such a stuff up of it on such a visible and incontrovertible (market reaction) scale so quickly. And then so utterly failed at the final bit which might have salved judgement for a time, namely communication. For some 'national' commentators this was utterly predictable and predicted, and for the one in particular I am familiar with it would be nonsense to stick a sexist/misogynist label on them. I'm sure you are right that perhaps for some sexism / misogyny has played some part but I doubt that shorn of those the outcome or current perception would net out any different.
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Post by keitha on Oct 17, 2022 14:48:28 GMT
Mrs T (1) "the ladies not for turning" Mrs T (2) "i'm getting dizzy with all this turning"
honestly I felt that when Maggie went to meetings she would get her own way, I'm sure if Truss went to a similar meeting she'd end up carrying the others suitcases.
Maggie kept most of her rivals in the cabinet so she could keep an eye on them, truss has until now only appointed supporters leaving the rivals free to plot and plan. A month or so ago we had the first ever cabinet without a single white man holding any of the major roles, well that didn't last did it
a friend said tome last night she was a puppet, I said nah she's too wooden to be a puppet
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 17, 2022 15:22:19 GMT
Mrs T (1) "the ladies not for turning" Mrs T (2) "i'm getting dizzy with all this turning" honestly I felt that when Maggie went to meetings she would get her own way, I'm sure if Truss went to a similar meeting she'd end up carrying the others suitcases. Maggie kept most of her rivals in the cabinet so she could keep an eye on them, truss has until now only appointed supporters leaving the rivals free to plot and plan.A month or so ago we had the first ever cabinet without a single white man holding any of the major roles, well that didn't last did it a friend said tome last night she was a puppet, I said nah she's too wooden to be a puppet That's an important point, being old enough to remember the cabinet of 'wets and drys'. It lead me to this article on the release of the cabinet papers from the first Thatcher cabinet. And what do we read here? "Official papers released by the National Archives show that the "wets" – notably Jim Prior, Peter Walker, Ian Gilmour, Mark Carlisle, Lord Soames and Francis Pym – were able to demonstrate that a majority of the cabinet rejected as unnecessarily harsh Sir Geoffrey Howe's demands for further public spending cuts and tax cuts. The "wets", many of whom represented big spending departments, went to the meeting on 23 July with bids for £6.5bn of extra spending."www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/30/thatcher-battled-cabinet-wets-national-archivesGeoffrey didn't think of the idea of borrowing the money to fund the tax cuts - because Mrs Thatcher would have pushed him out of the wndow shoould he have suggested such a thing. It does illustrate that cabinet government should be a broad church, encouraging debate leading to balanced decisions. Notably though, these 'wets' were duely purged, as they turned out to be in a majority and not to Mrs T's taste. But Truss' cabinet of yes-women' simply crashed the bus as soon as they touched the steering wheel, before any intra party opposiiton even had time to organise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 15:33:46 GMT
Mogg's influence on the green energy sector will stick to haunt us in years to come. The man needs to move to Dublin where his business hides and take his lack of knowledge about his subject with him.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 17, 2022 17:15:07 GMT
Mogg's influence on the green energy sector will stick to haunt us in years to come. The man needs to move to Dublin where his business hides and take his lack of knowledge about his subject with him. That's a bit blunt. I don't think the Minister for the Ninteenth Century will take your advice. He might be safe in the Palace of Westminster and in the limo on the way back to his castle, but can you imagine him making an appearance in public on the streets of Dublin? People would die laughing. Actually, if he stood still in the Central Square and held out his top-hat, he might quickly make a sizeable amount to add to his already large Euro- fortune!
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Post by adrianc on Oct 17, 2022 17:30:39 GMT
I don't think the haunted pencil will ever take ANYBODY's advice... except, maybe, nanny's.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 18, 2022 0:38:41 GMT
So... other than throwing however many tens of billions of pounds down the proverbial, putting our pensions at risk, trashing the reputation of the country, and holding a funeral, what else have our government achieved since the 6th September? Well, they have moved to reclassify most UK farmland so that farmers cannot decide to install solar generators, which is odd for libertarians in a fuel crisis www.ft.com/content/c40c33e2-0684-40de-a0af-1ec2e77e1abdArticle paywalled for me but this could be a move in the right direction. It has long troubled me that farmland, that was given over really cheaply because it was intended for food production, is being used for an ever expanding number of lucrative business ventures, such as karting tracks, shooting layouts, yurts and glamping pods, hangars and airstrips, and now solar farms. This has made a few farmers extremely wealthy. Rather than permitting one individual to grow very rich off the misuse of farmland, I would prefer to see the compulsory purchase of that plot of land and then the income from a solar farm investment can go to local government instead and be shared by the people rather than one lucky/greedy individual.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 6:47:27 GMT
I was involved in the past 10 years with making our local library (which was being rebuilt) have a solar roof. It was tough negotiating. The idea that our local councils are ready or indeed financed to invest in these things is laughable, which is a shame as towns are the obvious place to put solar, there are local power connections, installation is easy (unlike farms where you need to lay in power connections).
Since my town is basically empty of solar connections (maybe 1 in 10 are paneled) the obvious solution is to set up a steady system that doesn't keep changing to help assist individuals to install solar. This would be different from the last 20 years where the financial rules change almost annually. So many businesses grown and bust because of governmental incompetence.
SO, FOR GOD's SAKE, STOP changinging the rules!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 7:03:43 GMT
Mogg's influence on the green energy sector will stick to haunt us in years to come. The man needs to move to Dublin where his business hides and take his lack of knowledge about his subject with him. That's a bit blunt. I don't think the Minister for the Ninteenth Century will take your advice. He might be safe in the Palace of Westminster and in the limo on the way back to his castle, but can you imagine him making an appearance in public on the streets of Dublin? People would die laughing. Actually, if he stood still in the Central Square and held out his top-hat, he might quickly make a sizeable amount to add to his already large Euro- fortune! Amazing what you can do when you inherit £100m from mum
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 18, 2022 8:19:54 GMT
Mogg's influence on the green energy sector will stick to haunt us in years to come. The man needs to move to Dublin where his business hides and take his lack of knowledge about his subject with him. That's a bit blunt. I don't think the Minister for the Ninteenth Century will take your advice. He might be safe in the Palace of Westminster and in the limo on the way back to his castle, but can you imagine him making an appearance in public on the streets of Dublin? People would die laughing. Actually, if he stood still in the Central Square and held out his top-hat, he might quickly make a sizeable amount to add to his already large Euro- fortune! The man who's Fitbit is a carriage clock
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Post by adrianc on Oct 18, 2022 9:02:48 GMT
That's a bit blunt. I don't think the Minister for the Ninteenth Century will take your advice. He might be safe in the Palace of Westminster and in the limo on the way back to his castle, but can you imagine him making an appearance in public on the streets of Dublin? People would die laughing. Actually, if he stood still in the Central Square and held out his top-hat, he might quickly make a sizeable amount to add to his already large Euro- fortune! Amazing what you can do when you inherit £100m from mum JRM? No, his mother was his father's secretary, daughter of a lorry driver. His money's pretty much all self-made from being a city trader. His missus is from family money, but her mother's still alive.
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