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Post by benaj on Nov 14, 2024 16:43:57 GMT
My understanding there are already plenty of dog free areas in place in the UK for various reasons. But saying this is part of the ANTI-RACIST plan for creating dog free areas is just complete non-sense.
is like instead of calling NHS, let's call it ANTI RACIST NHS, ANTI RACIST Labour, ANTI RACIST Police, ANTI RACIST Parliament, ANTI RACIST Airways.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Nov 14, 2024 16:49:53 GMT
I rather talk to someone who experienced racial discrimination. Reading this plan not going to help, I am afraid. I know plenty of people afraid of dogs, but nice dog owners/ walkers wouldn’t let their dog near those who are afraid of / dislike dogs. Banning dogs for anti racism is just complete nonsense in my opinion. Are we going to ban kids / bikes/ vapes/ mobile phones because of Anti-Racism? 🤣 BTW, there are plenty of Muslims like dogs and own dogs like the London Mayor Khan, also plenty of positive Hadiths about dogs. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9915019/Sadiq-Khan-spotted-using-cavalcade-cars-drive-4-5-miles-walk-dog.htmlOf course, those Muslims who have negative views about dogs might want to bring the issue from the racism lens. I agree that dogs unleashed or fouling green spaces is unpleasant, frightening for some, and deters people from using them. I have no idea if being afraid of dogs is more prevalent in some races than others, I know a few white British who are pretty terrified of loose big dogs. We have some good open spaces around here and I can't say I like it if a big dog comes racing up with the owner 100 yards away, however much they shout he's friendly, I don't want to find out. I think banning dogs from some spaces particularly where small children play or would like to play and ensuring dogs are on leads or at least under control in most enclosed green spaces particularly in urban areas would not be a bad thing. I thought illegal immigrant eat pet dogs or is that only in America. There is a fair bit of truth in the oft used comment 'that there are no bad dogs only bad owners'.
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Post by jonno on Nov 14, 2024 17:42:35 GMT
I agree that dogs unleashed or fouling green spaces is unpleasant, frightening for some, and deters people from using them. I have no idea if being afraid of dogs is more prevalent in some races than others, I know a few white British who are pretty terrified of loose big dogs. We have some good open spaces around here and I can't say I like it if a big dog comes racing up with the owner 100 yards away, however much they shout he's friendly, I don't want to find out. I think banning dogs from some spaces particularly where small children play or would like to play and ensuring dogs are on leads or at least under control in most enclosed green spaces particularly in urban areas would not be a bad thing. I thought illegal immigrant eat pet dogs or is that only in America. There is a fair bit of truth in the oft used comment 'that there are no bad dogs only bad owners'. Oh! They must be gun dogs then.
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Post by bernythedolt on Nov 14, 2024 18:08:54 GMT
I haven’t read their plan yet, so I can’t really imagine what dog-free area would promote / enforce anti-racism, especially dogs are not racists. The only thing I can think of - and clearly the Excuse's implication - is that some Muslims regard dogs as haram, unclean. Which, tbf, they usually are - especially with unfettered access to fox poo and the like on hillsides...The Express article tells us the reason: "During focus group sessions, one Black African woman reportedly expressed feeling unsafe in areas with dogs". So one coloured person, in one focus group, doesn't like dogs. Therefore, in Welsh Labour's view, we evidently have to overturn centuries of our own culture to accommodate that, otherwise we are racists.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 14, 2024 21:25:38 GMT
The only thing I can think of - and clearly the Excuse's implication - is that some Muslims regard dogs as haram, unclean. Which, tbf, they usually are - especially with unfettered access to fox poo and the like on hillsides...The Express article tells us the reason: That's not in the doc on the Welsh gov site. The doc is the group's view, not the Welsh gov's.
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Post by bernythedolt on Nov 14, 2024 23:17:42 GMT
The Express article tells us the reason: "During focus group sessions, one Black African woman reportedly expressed feeling unsafe in areas with dogs". That's not in the doc on the Welsh gov site. That's true, which is presumably why the Express attributed it as "reportedly expressed". Since, as you've pointed out, the word 'dog' only appears once in the report AND that's in the Recommendations section, it's fair to assume the subject of dog-free zones did get raised and discussed by one of the focus groups. I very much doubt every discussion at these focus groups made it into the report verbatim (and much was translated from the original languages, too). It's difficult to imagine dog-free zones suddenly appearing as one of the six recommendations in the absence of any prior discussion leading up to it. So, no reason to disbelieve the Express assertion above - it sounds perfectly plausible. True again, but it's a study launched by the Welsh Government's "Anti-Racist Wales Action Plan", funded by the Welsh Government, published on their website... and you just know Welsh Labour are gonna be all over it like a rash.
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Post by benaj on Nov 15, 2024 15:53:18 GMT
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Post by overthehill on Nov 15, 2024 18:01:07 GMT
International friendlies are a waste of time as proven by England's record since 1966 but russia is taking it to a new inane level. When's the 2nd leg Football Union of Russia 11 Brunei 0
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Post by benaj on Nov 15, 2024 18:23:19 GMT
I didn't watch it. but 10 different goal scorers?!
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 17, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2024 10:49:01 GMT
Entirely consistent with Rory Stewart's account of working for her in Politics On The Edge.
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Post by registerme on Nov 17, 2024 11:59:31 GMT
This is a few days old now but apparently The Onion has bought Infowars. And is going to turn it into a satirical site about conspiracy theories.
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Post by benaj on Nov 17, 2024 12:00:45 GMT
That’s a good point. We don’t know which MPs or Royals are psychologically fit for their duties. Do they take mental MOTs to ensure they are psychologically fit for their roles?
The best part, who can tell them they are unfit when they fail their mental MOTs?
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Post by adrianc on Nov 17, 2024 12:40:16 GMT
The best part, who can tell them they are unfit when they fail their mental MOTs? Only the electorate at a general election... There's no way to force an MP to resign against their will, unless they're convicted of an offence serious enough to disqualify them.
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 17, 2024 12:41:21 GMT
This is a few days old now but apparently The Onion has bought Infowars. And is going to turn it into a satirical site about conspiracy theories. Yes, its the funniest thing that has happened in a good while. In fact probably since a lettuce outlasted Thick Lizzy. However, I see that the Judge in the bankruptcy case is gouing to look into the sale. I had read that the Sandy Hook victims had in effect ensured that the site did not end up in the hands of an Alex Jones "me too" or an organisation that then hired him to be on it. At the time I read it I felt that could be very dodgy as you would have thought they would have to demonstrate that they had achieved fair value, as presumably the proceeds offset against the settlement.
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