travolta
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Post by travolta on Nov 26, 2022 11:29:15 GMT
Well she could jump into a dinghy in Calais ,we'd probably never know who she was.
Maybe she has already and its someone else.
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Post by benaj on Nov 26, 2022 11:59:37 GMT
I start to wonder how many women who joined ISIS Tinder have also lost their citizenship?
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Post by michaelc on Nov 26, 2022 13:48:18 GMT
...a situation where two British people have lived here all their lives but one is at (very slightly) more risk than the other of being deported to (for them) an unknown land. And that's where, for me, the government's attitude to Begum becomes unacceptable. Nobody should have dual nationality with "(for them) an unknown land".Nobody should be deemed to hold a nationality just because they would probably be accepted if they applied, which they haven't done, because they have no links with that country other than jus sanguinis. There may also be ECHR issues, because the government would be complicit in her going to a certain execution. So you'd be advocating zero immigration into the UK and "no marrying foreigners" so that all children are born to parents who are both British ? Thought not. So then you have lots of situations where children get the passport of each parent. Or would you forbid that? Which nationality could they adopt? Just the fathers, just the mothers? Probably discriminatory to do that as well as creating an obvious imbalance in the relationship. Then we're left with children who have two passports with many of them hardly ever setting foot in the "other" country. As individuals, they didn't ask for that situation either. So that I suggest is one route into this happening and why it isn't "nobody".
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Post by adrianc on Nov 27, 2022 10:37:36 GMT
And that's where, for me, the government's attitude to Begum becomes unacceptable. Nobody should have dual nationality with "(for them) an unknown land".Nobody should be deemed to hold a nationality just because they would probably be accepted if they applied, which they haven't done, because they have no links with that country other than jus sanguinis. There may also be ECHR issues, because the government would be complicit in her going to a certain execution. So you'd be advocating zero immigration into the UK and "no marrying foreigners" so that all children are born to parents who are both British ? You are SO going to have to explain that leap of logic to me... Umm, nope. And, even if they did, how does that somehow inherently make the other country an "unknown land"? FWIW, SWMBO's mother was Swedish, and lived here for the last fifty years of her life. SWMBO has never held Swedish nationality, sole or dual - and would be under zero advantage in gaining it, compared to me. She is, however, fluent in the language and lived there for a year.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 5, 2023 6:40:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 8:42:08 GMT
Does anyone know what happened to Brits after the Spanish civil war. I know those fighting Franco were allowed to return along with a bunch of Spaniards.
But what happened to those on Franco's side. I find it hard to believe there were not some
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Post by pikestaff on Feb 5, 2023 9:16:09 GMT
Does anyone know what happened to Brits after the Spanish civil war. I know those fighting Franco were allowed to return along with a bunch of Spaniards. But what happened to those on Franco's side. I find it hard to believe there were not some There were. See eg christopherothen.wordpress.com/2017/09/22/a-british-volunteer-for-franco/I'm pretty sure they were allowed back, no problem. One of the reviews here implicitly confirms it.
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Post by agent69 on Feb 5, 2023 9:29:01 GMT
Does anyone know what happened to Brits after the Spanish civil war. I know those fighting Franco were allowed to return along with a bunch of Spaniards. But what happened to those on Franco's side. I find it hard to believe there were not some Grandad went back to Peckham and put his name down on the housing list.
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Post by ptr120 on Feb 5, 2023 13:03:12 GMT
FWIW, SWMBO's mother was Swedish, and lived here for the last fifty years of her life. SWMBO has never held Swedish nationality, sole or dual - and would be under zero advantage in gaining it, compared to me. She is, however, fluent in the language and lived there for a year. Post Brexit, I can see a significant advantage in gaining Swedish nationality (or indeed that of any other EU state)
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Post by keitha on Aug 7, 2024 13:27:10 GMT
to add to the above have to say my late ex MIL was the most racist, and homophobic person I've ever come across.
Being me and awkward my best man at my wedding to her daughter was gay and I had his partner as an usher.
One Irony being at the time I married she had been in the UK 40 years yet still had a Dutch accent, and would make comments about the Country "being full of Foreigners" which always made me giggle
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Post by keitha on Aug 7, 2024 13:31:16 GMT
Anyway back to Ms Begum
Final appeal to supreme court failed, because her appeal did not raise an arguable point of law
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Post by benaj on Aug 7, 2024 13:58:21 GMT
😅 The UK courts must have been busy this summer. “The most dangerous” woman has her citizenship revoked and lost her appeal, and yet we are still facing national threat.
Now the question, could she claim asylum anywhere on this planet?
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Post by gramsky on Aug 7, 2024 14:11:50 GMT
Does anyone know what happened to Brits after the Spanish civil war. I know those fighting Franco were allowed to return along with a bunch of Spaniards. But what happened to those on Franco's side. I find it hard to believe there were not some This is a good point and one that I have pondered. I would add that those that went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, George Orwell being one example, were far more mature, worldly and hence knew more of what they were doing, whereas Shamima was more of a naive teenager and probably easily led or even groomed into it. I have thought about the question of her return and have identified 3 things that I needed to consider:- 1. Is the point we have discussed here. Others who knew far more what they were doing have left to fight wars even for our enemies and have been allowed to return. 2. Is she a security risk if allowed to return to this country? This is a question I can not answer because I do not know what MI5 know about here, but if they have nothing I would be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt if monitored regularly. 3. If allowed to return would the media make her a celebrity from which she would benefit and profit? This one clinches it for me, because I think this would be the case. So she must stay where she is as far as I am concerned.
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Post by keitha on Aug 7, 2024 14:43:29 GMT
3. If allowed to return would the media make her a celebrity from which she would benefit and profit? This one clinches it for me, because I think this would be the case. So she must stay where she is as far as I am concerned. We all know that celebrities however minor get away with things the rest of us would be arrested for and if the courts punish them their "supporters/ followers" etc claim they are being picked on. I saw a post the other day that was a wonderful example it was a comment on an article about an arrest warrant being issued for Katie Price for not turning up in court as ordered the comment was on the lines of "don't these stupid judges live in the real world, Katie is a great mum and role model, she has gone away to work to earn money to support her family just like anyone else would and they wouldn't go to court either" A great role model :- 5 kids 3 different fathers Made her money by "modelling" and still does onlyfans Bankrupt twice Caught drink or drug driving several times, also driving whilst disqualified and no insurance Many plastic surgery ops
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Post by travolta on Aug 7, 2024 15:06:00 GMT
Katy Price is almost every 40 year old mum around here. They could teach SB a thing or two.
(Well. may be not the dosh,but the've spent that already)
Now, what about the the dads.......?
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