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Jan 23, 2024 13:53:18 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jan 23, 2024 13:53:18 GMT
What does "putting on the internet" mean ? Is sending a Whatsapp message putting it on the internet? What about sending a tcp ack packet to a random server? Is that "putting it on the internet" ? I don't know instagram or how its private groups work. But still you could answer the question about making a joke in real life totally in private. Should that be allowed ? Is it allowed?
The message, sent before Mr Verma departed Gatwick airport, read: "On my way to blow up the plane (I'm a member of the Taliban)."
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A court in Madrid heard it was assumed the message triggered alarm bells after being picked up via Gatwick's Wi-Fi network."WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted, so messages cannot be intercepted. However, this wasn't WhatsApp. It was posted publicly, using a commercial entity's unsecured wifi network - which he will have agreed to the Ts & Cs before using, which will undoubtedly include content scanning. www.gatwickairport.com/passenger-guides/wifi-charging.htmlThe man's a raging idiot, and is entirely the author of his own misfortune. Yes I know about Whatsapp being end 2 end protected as far as we know. I'd confused instagram and snapchat as I don't use either. If it was indeed a public group or essentially the same as the real life version of spouting off about it in the airport then yes I would agree - we need to take them seriously which takes resources. I don't agree in punishing idiocy per sae but would agree this guy needs a steep fine at the very least. A life changing amount is probably too much. However, if he said what he said just to his mates without which were then intercepted by the authorities, then IMO that is a different matter. He thought what he said was private and was private it could do no harm. An open wifi isn't an invitation for someone or the authorities to eavesdrop. The real life equivalent would be (idiotically) laughing and joking about nonsense inside a private car which was being actively surveyed. Should we punish someone for cracking jokes possibly in bad taste in the "privacy" of their car?
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Jan 25, 2024 21:27:41 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jan 25, 2024 21:27:41 GMT
I agree its not a joke when for example at the airport or in a plane particularly when you could be overheard. But in private? Surely anything goes?Those whose objective is to blow up an airliner - and they exist - would love that to be the case. Furthermore, it wasn't in private. It was an electronic communication and, as such, is subject to the Telecommunications Act 1984, under which he has almost certainly committed an offence...I'm sure there would be an even more compelling section of the Act explicitly covering threats of terrorism, but I haven't the inclination to search right now. It seems you're not right this time Berny but I'm sure unlike many on this forum you'll happily agree you got it wrong this time.....  www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68099669
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 25, 2024 21:38:28 GMT
Those whose objective is to blow up an airliner - and they exist - would love that to be the case. Furthermore, it wasn't in private. It was an electronic communication and, as such, is subject to the Telecommunications Act 1984, under which he has almost certainly committed an offence...I'm sure there would be an even more compelling section of the Act explicitly covering threats of terrorism, but I haven't the inclination to search right now. It seems you're not right this time Berny but I'm sure unlike many on this forum you'll happily agree you got it wrong this time..... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68099669doesn't mean he was wrong though at all. @berneythedolt was commenting on applicability / offence under UK law. As the trial was in Spain under Spanish law one can't draw any conclusions as to what the outcome would have been under UK law. EDIT: I'm commenting because I'm in the camp that if any adult is stupid enough to suggest they are going to blow up or hijack a plane, especially a commercial airliner, they frankly can have no complaints about legal (or indeed physical) outcomes.
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Jan 25, 2024 21:41:17 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jan 25, 2024 21:41:17 GMT
doesn't mean he was wrong though at all. @berneythedolt was commenting on applicability / offence under UK law. As the trial was in Spain under Spanish law one can't draw any conclusions as to what the outcome would have been under UK law. He said it was subject to the Telecommunications Act 1984 which clearly it wasn't. He also said it wasn't in private which the spanish judge found not to be true. Of course that's not the same as a british judge ruling but frankly on that specific point on whether or not it the "joke" was made in private translates quite well across jurisdictions. The bit that may or may not translate is whether the fact that the communication was held to be in private was relevant or not. I would say that most reasonable people would consider that to absolutely be relevant. Anyhow, the judge agreed with me and the chap at the centre of this has been found innocent. Quite right.
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Jan 26, 2024 2:44:13 GMT
Post by bernythedolt on Jan 26, 2024 2:44:13 GMT
doesn't mean he was wrong though at all. @berneythedolt was commenting on applicability / offence under UK law. As the trial was in Spain under Spanish law one can't draw any conclusions as to what the outcome would have been under UK law. He also said it wasn't in private which the spanish judge found not to be true. Of course that's not the same as a british judge ruling but frankly on that specific point on whether or not it the "joke" was made in private translates quite well across jurisdictions. The bit that may or may not translate is whether the fact that the communication was held to be in private was relevant or not. I would say that most reasonable people would consider that to absolutely be relevant. Anyhow, the judge agreed with me and the chap at the centre of this has been found innocent. Quite right. , since, as bracknellboy has pointed out, it hasn't been tried under UK law, so I don't think we know whether he contravened that Act. However, in my very next post after the one you've highlighted, I had a rethink in the light of your reply, and I retracted, saying: "I'm no lawyer, so whether technically he committed an offence under the Telecommunications or Anti-Terrorism legislation is one for those better qualified". Not sure why you've ignored that. Still, if it makes you happier and puts this to bed, I hold my hands up and repeat.... I fully acknowledge my weakness in matters of law. Good job this is only a forum inviting people's opinions and not itself a court of law...phew!  You were right, well done. He evidently didn't break any Spanish laws. It does, of course, give the green light for idiot copycat repeats now. Heaven help those trying to safeguard us. Now where did I leave that sackcloth and ashes....
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Jan 26, 2024 7:25:04 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jan 26, 2024 7:25:04 GMT
Unfortunately, we have seen a number of planes have been blown up by rockets and innocent people died even without spreading a harmless joke on the net.
The worse, some just disappeared in the air without a trace and truth had not yet been found. Almost 10 years, no one knows what exactly caused the plan disappeared.
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Jan 26, 2024 9:30:42 GMT
Post by adrianc on Jan 26, 2024 9:30:42 GMT
The worse, some just disappeared in the air without a trace and truth had not yet been found. Almost 10 years, no one knows what exactly caused the plan disappeared. I thought it was just about unanimously agreed that the pilot had done for real what he'd already done on a flight sim - set the autopilot for the arse end of nowhere in a murder-suicide, depressurising the cabin so everybody was hypoxic and unconscious?
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Post by benaj on Mar 30, 2024 11:11:41 GMT
I certainly didn’t enjoy “self check-in” and “self bag drop” at one of uk busiest airport. It feels like passengers are paid to so chores at the airport while airport crews standing and doing nothing to help.
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Post by keitha on Mar 30, 2024 11:23:10 GMT
I certainly didn’t enjoy “self check-in” and “self bag drop” at one of uk busiest airport. It feels like passengers are paid to so chores at the airport while airport crews standing and doing nothing to help. Some year ago a friend of mines husband worked at Humberside having moved from Leeds Bradford, the staff at Humberside moaned and whinged if they loaded more than 4 planes in a shift, he said at LBA they would do 10-15 as normal. I also heard of member of the Humberside airport fire crew who said at his retirement that in 25 years he'd never even been on standby for a possible emergency landing let alone a real one
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Post by benaj on Apr 25, 2024 12:01:01 GMT
Visiting Belgium. I didn’t lnow Belgian ATM has terrible default GBP-EUR conversion rate. To only way to avoid poor rate conversion is withdrawing Euro directly from Euro account. HSBC Global money saves my day.
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Post by agent69 on Apr 25, 2024 12:28:40 GMT
Visiting Belgium. I didn’t lnow Belgian ATM has terrible default GBP-EUR conversion rate. To only way to avoid poor rate conversion is withdrawing Euro directly from Euro account. HSBC Global money saves my day. How about a prepaid card with Euros on it? Thats what I usually do when I am on holiday in EU land.
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Post by overthehill on Apr 25, 2024 13:21:47 GMT
Visiting Belgium. I didn’t lnow Belgian ATM has terrible default GBP-EUR conversion rate. To only way to avoid poor rate conversion is withdrawing Euro directly from Euro account. HSBC Global money saves my day.
Why is the ATM doing a currency conversion ? You need to select local currency. Or is it just a fee, choose your ATM wisely.
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Post by benaj on Apr 25, 2024 14:06:39 GMT
Visiting Belgium. I didn’t lnow Belgian ATM has terrible default GBP-EUR conversion rate. To only way to avoid poor rate conversion is withdrawing Euro directly from Euro account. HSBC Global money saves my day.
Why is the ATM doing a currency conversion ? You need to select local currency. Or is it just a fee, choose your ATM wisely.
The only options I saw is accept or decline conversion. Choosing decline means no money from Sterling bank accounts. 😑
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Post by benaj on Apr 25, 2024 14:10:48 GMT
Visiting Belgium. I didn’t lnow Belgian ATM has terrible default GBP-EUR conversion rate. To only way to avoid poor rate conversion is withdrawing Euro directly from Euro account. HSBC Global money saves my day. How about a prepaid card with Euros on it? Thats what I usually do when I am on holiday in EU land. How many prepaid money cards do you carry for a trip? Currensea allows something like £500 withdrawal abroad basic plan. I haven’t brought Zing, Wise, Revolut this time. No idea if they work like prepaid travel money debit card
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Post by k6 on Apr 25, 2024 14:17:14 GMT
How about a prepaid card with Euros on it? Thats what I usually do when I am on holiday in EU land. How many prepaid money cards do you carry for a trip? Currensea allows something like £500 withdrawal abroad basic plan. I haven’t brought Zing, Wise, Revolut this time. No idea if they work like prepaid travel money debit card You load your Revolut with EUR and you good to go and use as any other cards paying for whatever you buying
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