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Post by keitha on Aug 10, 2023 20:45:46 GMT
Last comment from me for a while at least
10 years ago I felt the UK was a very tolerant and pretty well integrated society, that seems to have changed.
unfortunately I think some of it is a backlash against organisations that are pushing an unrepresentative view of the UK population.
I hope that we don't end up as divided as the US appears to be.
As I said before I have friends of many nationalities, and honestly anyone that thinks the average British person of my age is bad should try some of the other nationalities.
Greeks, Turks, Indians and Poles are particularly bad.
Some Indians it's not just racism particularly against Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, but also against their own based on religion and Caste.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 10, 2023 22:24:16 GMT
Last comment from me for a while at least 10 years ago I felt the UK was a very tolerant and pretty well integrated society, that seems to have changed. unfortunately I think some of it is a backlash against organisations that are pushing an unrepresentative view of the UK population. I hope that we don't end up as divided as the US appears to be. As I said before I have friends of many nationalities, and honestly anyone that thinks the average British person of my age is bad should try some of the other nationalities. Greeks, Turks, Indians and Poles are particularly bad. Some Indians it's not just racism particularly against Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, but also against their own based on religion and Caste. At least the OP is honest in his self racism assessment.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 10, 2023 22:53:07 GMT
Yeah but Afghanistan as a country didn't attack the TT as far as I know? The claim was that they were "harbouring terrorists". As bad as 9/11 was, really bad invasion is several orders of magnitude worse. They didn't go to the US because it can't be reached by land. Indeed, and saying they should "F*** of back to France", well France was careful not to involve itself in America's wars. Which one? The only recent conflict not involving French troops was Gulf War 2 ... all the others they were there at some point plus a few they did sens l'Amercains ... Libya, Chad
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 10, 2023 22:54:39 GMT
10 years ago I felt the UK was a very tolerant and pretty well integrated society, that seems to have changed. This is an interesting observation. People at the bottom society are really struggling, and this includes many in immigrant communities as they have to pull themselves up from the bottom. The reasoning and explanation is all in this article that Brackers and me have posted links to in different threads today. Well worth reading. ttps://samf.substack.com/p/the-disconnect
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 10, 2023 23:01:29 GMT
Indeed, and saying they should "F*** of back to France", well France was careful not to involve itself in America's wars. Which one? The only recent conflict not involving French troops was Gulf War 2 ... all the others they were there at some point plus a few they did sens l'Amercains ... Libya, Chad Which one? Are you serious? We're not really besieged by Libyan and Chaddian refugees are we. Afghanistan +"Gulf War 2" is the root of all this refugee wave with genuine asylum claims. These wars which Britain participated in and the French didn't is also directly related to the bloodbath of Syria. Try harder.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 10, 2023 23:14:22 GMT
Which one? The only recent conflict not involving French troops was Gulf War 2 ... all the others they were there at some point plus a few they did sens l'Amercains ... Libya, Chad Which one? Are you serious? We're not really besieged by Libyan and Chaddian refugees are we. Afghanistan +"Gulf War 2" is the root of all this refugee wave with genuine asylum claims. These wars which Britain participated in and the French didn't is also directly related to the bloodbath of Syria. Try harder. 70000 French troops deployed in Afghanistan between 2001-2014, Operation Chamal against ISIS involving naval (incl CdG), air & ultimately ground forces in Syria/Iraq (3500) - more than UK.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 10, 2023 23:44:20 GMT
adrianc is on holiday and I'm feeling overworked. Look, Britain is a great place and the integration of peoples from all over our empires, and now victims of our unwise participation in America's wars, it's our great success story. Throwback 1970s NF attitudes are dying out with that age group, leaving the air fresher for the kinder more tolerant society that has already developed. Thank you and good night. Where do you see this great success in our country right now? Surely not in our elderly population forced to endure years waiting for medical treatment, having paid in all their lives and now queueing behind thousands who've contributed nothing? I just can't see how our indigenous homeless, and our youngsters desperate to move into their own homes, could ever recognise our open-door immigration policy as a success story for them. It strikes me the majority of our problems stem from an uncontrolled population explosion within these shores. There's just not enough of anything to go around. Every year, road rage offences are increasing in number and severity. Are we really a kinder and more tolerant society nowadays? Sorry, not convinced.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 11, 2023 6:46:11 GMT
adrianc is on holiday and I'm feeling overworked. Look, Britain is a great place and the integration of peoples from all over our empires, and now victims of our unwise participation in America's wars, it's our great success story. Throwback 1970s NF attitudes are dying out with that age group, leaving the air fresher for the kinder more tolerant society that has already developed. Thank you and good night. Where do you see this great success in our country right now? Surely not in our elderly population forced to endure years waiting for medical treatment, having paid in all their lives and now queueing behind thousands who've contributed nothing? I just can't see how our indigenous homeless, and our youngsters desperate to move into their own homes, could ever recognise our open-door immigration policy as a success story for them. It strikes me the majority of our problems stem from an uncontrolled population explosion within these shores. There's just not enough of anything to go around. Every year, road rage offences are increasing in number and severity. Are we really a kinder and more tolerant society nowadays? Sorry, not convinced. Sorry, but whatever else is said on the general matter, on the subject of the NHS I just don't buy the idea that the NHS is breaking because of immigration, or that 'elderly people' are being 'forced to the back of the queue'. Looking at it from the supply side: - 29% of Doctors are non-UK citizens - 18% of nurses are non-UK citizens - 25% of GPs gained their qualification outside the UK (source: ONS, analysis of 2021 census data) Whatever might be happening on the consumer side, the NHS is highly dependent on immigration to provide its services*. On the concept of "having paid in all their lives". This is simply a false premise, because there is nothing to "pay into". NHS funding doesn't come from some state trust fund, or personal insurance fund etc. It comes from general taxation. So during their working lives they have been paying for the current cost of the NHS through their current taxation. When they were in their 20's paying tax, they weren't building up a nest egg for their own treatment when they were 70. The 'surplus' they were paying (i.e. over and above what their NHS demand) was in a very large part paying for those who were in -ve balance: primarily the elderly because of their needs and their lack of current tax contribution. So in precisely the same way, if you have an expectation of having access to a functioning NHS while in your dotage, there has to be a vibrant, young, productive, tax generating population of sufficient size and GDP and tax revenue generating capability to keep those services viable. And the UK is sitting on a V shaped demographic time bomb. [And by the way, much the same could be said of the pension income one feels 'entitled' to having 'paid into' all your life. If you are in a govt./state old style DB pension fund, then the vast majority of that is coming from 'current tax revenue'. If you've paid into a DC fund, a good chance that a goodly portion of that is invested into UK stocks/assets. Their 'present value' has a significant link with the output of UK Plc, and therefore also needs a vibrant Uk workforce]. EDITS: Minor tidy up.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 11, 2023 7:06:23 GMT
I was born in North London . Enfield was divided in two by the Great Cambridge Road . West :leafy London suburb . East Industial heartland along the River Lee. Best life balance was to live in West and work in East . Now West contains 50;50 white anglo /greek,turkish,asian immigrants. East heavily criminalised by gangs:Albanian ,Black etc. Cars machine gunned ,burned houses etc. A quiet Anglo culture vanishes under the immigration policy over the last 50 years .Am I racist? No ... I now live a mile from my nearest neighbours (welsh sheep farmers). If I lived in my childhood home on a North London council estate I would be heartily pissed off. I grew up a 107 bus ride away from you and worked in London for 40 years. So glad to be away from the place now. I understand there are shops in parts of London now displaying "English spoken here" signs. Knife and gun crime is frighteningly prevalent in some quarters. Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree.
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Post by keitha on Aug 11, 2023 9:22:18 GMT
Last comment from me for a while at least 10 years ago I felt the UK was a very tolerant and pretty well integrated society, that seems to have changed. unfortunately I think some of it is a backlash against organisations that are pushing an unrepresentative view of the UK population. I hope that we don't end up as divided as the US appears to be. As I said before I have friends of many nationalities, and honestly anyone that thinks the average British person of my age is bad should try some of the other nationalities. Greeks, Turks, Indians and Poles are particularly bad. Some Indians it's not just racism particularly against Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, but also against their own based on religion and Caste. At least the OP is honest in his self racism assessment. LOL I'm certainly not racist, i was saying if you think my generation are bad look elsewhere in the world. Certainly the reality I see here in the Welsh valleys is that the casual racism is much more embedded amongst the pensioners, and the under 25's. I would say that certain WG policies are racist, you cannot apply for certain jobs unless you speak fluent Welsh, how many immigrants or even over 40's speak Welsh.
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Post by keitha on Aug 11, 2023 9:43:42 GMT
Where do you see this great success in our country right now? Surely not in our elderly population forced to endure years waiting for medical treatment, having paid in all their lives and now queueing behind thousands who've contributed nothing? I just can't see how our indigenous homeless, and our youngsters desperate to move into their own homes, could ever recognise our open-door immigration policy as a success story for them. It strikes me the majority of our problems stem from an uncontrolled population explosion within these shores. There's just not enough of anything to go around. Every year, road rage offences are increasing in number and severity. Are we really a kinder and more tolerant society nowadays? Sorry, not convinced. Sorry, but whatever else is said on the general matter, on the subject of the NHS I just don't buy the idea that the NHS is breaking because of immigration, or that 'elderly people' are being 'forced to the back of the queue'. Looking at it from the supply side: - 29% of Doctors are non-UK citizens - 18% of nurses are non-UK citizens - 25% of GPs gained their qualification outside the UK (source: ONS, analysis of 2021 census data) Whatever might be happening on the consumer side, the NHS is highly dependent on immigration to provide its services*. On the concept of "having paid in all their lives". This is simply a false premise, because there is nothing to "pay into". NHS funding doesn't come from some state trust fund, or personal insurance fund etc. It comes from general taxation. So during their working lives they have been paying for the current cost of the NHS through their current taxation. When they were in their 20's paying tax, they weren't building up a nest egg for their own treatment when they were 70. The 'surplus' they were paying (i.e. over and above what their NHS demand) was in a very large part paying for those who were in -ve balance: primarily the elderly because of their needs and their lack of current tax contribution. So in precisely the same way, if you have an expectation of having access to a functioning NHS while in your dotage, there has to be a vibrant, young, productive, tax generating population of sufficient size and GDP and tax revenue generating capability to keep those services viable. And the UK is sitting on a V shaped demographic time bomb. [And by the way, much the same could be said of the pension income one feels 'entitled' to having 'paid into' all your life. If you are in a govt./state old style DB pension fund, then the vast majority of that is coming from 'current tax revenue'. If you've paid into a DC fund, a good chance that a goodly portion of that is invested into UK stocks/assets. Their 'present value' has a significant link with the output of UK Plc, and therefore also needs a vibrant Uk workforce]. EDITS: Minor tidy up. What Berny was saying is that someone my age has paid NI for 40 plus years. some coming from elsewhere have paid nothing. From personal experience The NHS is broken and overloaded. I have a friend with a 5 year old who needs speech therapy, and has been told that the waiting list is 2 years, yet this morning a Welsh Health Authority announces that it now has a specialist speech therapy service for trans people. Why do I think the NHS is overloaded. 30 years ago a baby born at 23 weeks would die, now they often survive but can need a lot of treatment over many years. 30 years ago there was no NHS IVF I also believe that conditions such as dementia, Parkinsons etc with the associated cost of treatment and care are becoming more prevalent because we are living longer so it is more likely these conditions will develop. read the news and every few months you see a discussion on a drug with a silly cost, I know people taking drugs that cost the NHS £6,000 or more a year, now I'm not saying that we shouldn't give these expensive drugs to the elderly, and I certainly would not advocate the American system. But when people say "i'm entitled I've paid in" they need to think, on about "£23,000 a year they will pay < £3,000 in tax and NI. so the drugs alone are costing more than they put in in 2 years.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 11, 2023 12:27:56 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Aug 11, 2023 12:29:19 GMT
At least the OP is honest in his self racism assessment. LOL I'm certainly not racist, i was saying if you think my generation are bad look elsewhere in the world. Certainly the reality I see here in the Welsh valleys is that the casual racism is much more embedded amongst the pensioners, and the under 25's. I would say that certain WG policies are racist, you cannot apply for certain jobs unless you speak fluent Welsh, how many immigrants or even over 40's speak Welsh. I take it back and apologise.
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Post by keitha on Aug 11, 2023 18:22:11 GMT
LOL I'm certainly not racist, i was saying if you think my generation are bad look elsewhere in the world. Certainly the reality I see here in the Welsh valleys is that the casual racism is much more embedded amongst the pensioners, and the under 25's. I would say that certain WG policies are racist, you cannot apply for certain jobs unless you speak fluent Welsh, how many immigrants or even over 40's speak Welsh. I take it back and apologise. thank you. general question are some of the issues I see caused by a lack of decent parenting. For example we had a 6 year old go missing a few weeks back, his parents said "He went out about 10PM to see some friends and hasn't come back" at 14 I was in bed by 10 most nightsthe casual way that a lot of kids swear, I heard one recently call his Mum "an effing fat C***" if i'd ever used language like that in front of my mum she'd have clocked me even at 40 plus
It seems parents don't care that their kids are riding motorbikes on the road at 14 or 15 there's a general lack of respect for people, be they shopkeepers, doctors, teachers, the police etc
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Post by moonraker on Aug 11, 2023 18:42:38 GMT
Looking at it from the supply side: - 29% of Doctors are non-UK citizens - 18% of nurses are non-UK citizens - 25% of GPs gained their qualification outside the UK (source: ONS, analysis of 2021 census data) Whatever might be happening on the consumer side, the NHS is highly dependent on immigration to provide its services*. A month ago I spent a couple of nights in hospital. Eighty per cent of the staff were Indian and all were very nice and efficient. But one slight problem was that sometimes I had difficulty in understanding them.
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