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Post by Greenwood2 on Aug 11, 2023 18:50:14 GMT
I did have I don't know what ethnic people, bur I remember people miming a bit to me how to breath, fair enough it was fine.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 11, 2023 19:15:50 GMT
I was born in North London . Enfield was divided in two by the Great Cambridge Road . West :leafy London suburb . East Industial heartland along the River Lee. Best life balance was to live in West and work in East . Now West contains 50;50 white anglo /greek,turkish,asian immigrants. East heavily criminalised by gangs:Albanian ,Black etc. Cars machine gunned ,burned houses etc. A quiet Anglo culture vanishes under the immigration policy over the last 50 years .Am I racist? No ... I now live a mile from my nearest neighbours (welsh sheep farmers). If I lived in my childhood home on a North London council estate I would be heartily pissed off. I grew up a 107 bus ride away from you and worked in London for 40 years. So glad to be away from the place now. I understand there are shops in parts of London now displaying "English spoken here" signs. Knife and gun crime is frighteningly prevalent in some quarters. Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree. " Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree." Was your identity and culture so fragile that it fell part in some way because some darker skinned people showed up? Can you explain how your identity and culture have been eroded by immigrants? It's 100% the other way around. The culture of Britain is so strong it overwhelms that of the immigrant 'communities' of yore, and third and 4th generation children of immigrants are as British as you and me. Take heart - your culture was not so pathetic that it dried up and blew away at first contact with "the other".
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Post by crabbyoldgit on Aug 11, 2023 20:27:01 GMT
To be honest our identity and culture have always been under a process of eradication ,it's called evolution and change and things that do not evolve and change becomes extinct. However that process needs the new and old to take bits from each other and having worked in Bradford for a couple of weeks did wonder if there was a total rejection of the for lack of a better term the established Anglo Saxon attitudes of this country, infact a contempt of what was considered weak , corrupt and immoral. Mutual respect and change is required and I see a lack of that from both sides.
Now on the barge the big question yet to be answered is the contamination of the water supply from the onboard tanks or that water provided from the port supply.
I do remember the water barge that served the RN fleet which took it's water from port storage tanks . If this shore based supply is the source, then there is big trouble for Portland Port as they provide bunkerage fuel , power and water to visiting liners and RFA ships. Cracks are already starting appear in services required by the occupance of the barge, bus transport, catering, cleaning and security are finding it difficult to supply staff , infact are losing the ones they have recruited and that's with 38 people onboard not 500 ish.
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Post by travolta on Aug 11, 2023 20:33:06 GMT
I grew up a 107 bus ride away from you and worked in London for 40 years. So glad to be away from the place now. I understand there are shops in parts of London now displaying "English spoken here" signs. Knife and gun crime is frighteningly prevalent in some quarters. Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree. " Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree."
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Post by travolta on Aug 11, 2023 20:39:42 GMT
'Was your identity and culture so fragile that it fell part in some way because some darker skinned people showed up? Can you explain how your identity and culture have been eroded by immigrants?
It's 100% the other way around. The culture of Britain is so strong it overwhelms that of the immigrant 'communities' of yore, and third and 4th generation children of immigrants are as British as you and me. Take heart - your culture was not so pathetic that it dried up and blew away at first contact with "the other".
I have to disagree with you .
The culture has been destroyed irrevocably by overpopulation by immigrant groups who are unable to find adequate housing or jobs . Their quality of life is poor. Neighbourhoods no longer function and eveyrone has to live off takeaways .
Violence ,crime and disaffected groups have driven out the ethnic white population and life is shite.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 11, 2023 21:48:22 GMT
I grew up a 107 bus ride away from you and worked in London for 40 years. So glad to be away from the place now. I understand there are shops in parts of London now displaying "English spoken here" signs. Knife and gun crime is frighteningly prevalent in some quarters. Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree. " Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree." Was your identity and culture so fragile that it fell part in some way because some darker skinned people showed up? Can you explain how your identity and culture have been eroded by immigrants? It's 100% the other way around. The culture of Britain is so strong it overwhelms that of the immigrant 'communities' of yore, and third and 4th generation children of immigrants are as British as you and me. Take heart - your culture was not so pathetic that it dried up and blew away at first contact with "the other". Just off the top of my head, and leaving aside skin colour (not sure why you raise it, and the list below involves all colours), in some areas our immigration policy has brought about the following cultural enrichment, none of which I recall as a lad. - Respect for democracy being replaced by election fraud, cheating via postal vote rigging and other corrupt practice.
- Respect for the law and our fellow man being replaced by knife culture, gun culture, shoplifting gangs, muggings, steaming gangs, drug gangs, cannabis farms and graffiti plastered over trains and every wall in sight.
- Acceptance and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs being replaced by intolerance and in some cases a violent and dangerous hatred of other faiths, including the country’s predominant established faith.
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Post by registerme on Aug 12, 2023 3:15:04 GMT
" Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree." Was your identity and culture so fragile that it fell part in some way because some darker skinned people showed up? Can you explain how your identity and culture have been eroded by immigrants? It's 100% the other way around. The culture of Britain is so strong it overwhelms that of the immigrant 'communities' of yore, and third and 4th generation children of immigrants are as British as you and me. Take heart - your culture was not so pathetic that it dried up and blew away at first contact with "the other". Just off the top of my head, and leaving aside skin colour (not sure why you raise it, and the list below involves all colours), in some areas our immigration policy has brought about the following cultural enrichment, none of which I recall as a lad. - Respect for democracy being replaced by election fraud, cheating via postal vote rigging and other corrupt practice.
- Respect for the law and our fellow man being replaced by knife culture, gun culture, shoplifting gangs, muggings, steaming gangs, drug gangs, cannabis farms and graffiti plastered over trains and every wall in sight.
- Acceptance and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs being replaced by intolerance and in some cases a violent and dangerous hatred of other faiths, including the country’s predominant established faith.
Leave out the guns and the knives, maybe, and you could be bemoaning the current (and recent) government.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Aug 12, 2023 5:23:31 GMT
" Some hail the gradual eradication of our identity and culture as a great success, but I can't agree." Was your identity and culture so fragile that it fell part in some way because some darker skinned people showed up? Can you explain how your identity and culture have been eroded by immigrants? It's 100% the other way around. The culture of Britain is so strong it overwhelms that of the immigrant 'communities' of yore, and third and 4th generation children of immigrants are as British as you and me. Take heart - your culture was not so pathetic that it dried up and blew away at first contact with "the other". Just off the top of my head, and leaving aside skin colour (not sure why you raise it, and the list below involves all colours), in some areas our immigration policy has brought about the following cultural enrichment, none of which I recall as a lad. - Respect for democracy being replaced by election fraud, cheating via postal vote rigging and other corrupt practice.
- Respect for the law and our fellow man being replaced by knife culture, gun culture, shoplifting gangs, muggings, steaming gangs, drug gangs, cannabis farms and graffiti plastered over trains and every wall in sight.
- Acceptance and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs being replaced by intolerance and in some cases a violent and dangerous hatred of other faiths, including the country’s predominant established faith.
And before large scale immigration we had the gang culture of the 50s, the Krays etc. Teddy boys terrorising towns. The IRA. Persecution of gay people. Rogue landlords, poverty and slums. Disabled people in 'mental' hospitals. And there was still plenty of robbery and murder. We were not exactly perfect as I recall.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 12, 2023 6:40:15 GMT
Just off the top of my head, and leaving aside skin colour (not sure why you raise it, and the list below involves all colours), in some areas our immigration policy has brought about the following cultural enrichment, none of which I recall as a lad. - Respect for democracy being replaced by election fraud, cheating via postal vote rigging and other corrupt practice.
- Respect for the law and our fellow man being replaced by knife culture, gun culture, shoplifting gangs, muggings, steaming gangs, drug gangs, cannabis farms and graffiti plastered over trains and every wall in sight.
- Acceptance and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs being replaced by intolerance and in some cases a violent and dangerous hatred of other faiths, including the country’s predominant established faith.
And before large scale immigration we had the gang culture of the 50s, the Krays etc. Teddy boys terrorising towns. The IRA. Persecution of gay people. Rogue landlords, poverty and slums. Disabled people in 'mental' hospitals. And there was still plenty of robbery and murder. We were not exactly perfect as I recall. you forgot - violent and discriminatory religious Catholic / Protestant sectarianism especially in Scotland and Northern Ireland - rampant football hooliganism every weekend (and rarely "an immigrant" in sight since they would be beaten to a pulp by the rampant neo fascist thugs) - significant gender discrimination The original first bullet point re. election fraud is a bit like Trump saying he won the election. Where on earth is the evidence that there is significant i.e. election altering fraud ? I've never seen anything published. But its a useful trope. With regard to the last bullet point: I see evidence of equally as much if not more religious intolerance going from the so-called "indigenous" population to the religious minority being referred to: which lets not beat around the bush appears to be referring particularly to muslims/Islam. But anyway given the history in this country of Catholic - Protestant - Jewish intolerance I'm not sure where our moral high ground lies.
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Post by registerme on Aug 12, 2023 8:34:23 GMT
Normal Jonathan Pie warnings.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 12, 2023 9:47:45 GMT
... Now on the barge the big question yet to be answered is the contamination of the water supply from the onboard tanks or that water provided from the port supply.I do remember the water barge that served the RN fleet which took it's water from port storage tanks . If this shore based supply is the source, then there is big trouble for Portland Port as they provide bunkerage fuel , power and water to visiting liners and RFA ships. Cracks are already starting appear in services required by the occupance of the barge, bus transport, catering, cleaning and security are finding it difficult to supply staff , infact are losing the ones they have recruited and that's with 38 people onboard not 500 ish. This taken from today's Times and is a Home Office quote: “The samples taken relate only to the water system on the vessel itself and therefore carry no direct risk indication for the wider community of Portland nor do they relate to fresh water entering the vessel." [which doesn't of course preclude the possibility that they haven't actually tested the dock side supply......the statement would still hold true] On the second point: here's a thought. Perhaps they could fast track the claims of a few of the inhabitants - sorry, temporarily ex inhabitants - and ones that are granted could then find useful employment supplying the services that there are too few people to do. Just a thought.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 12, 2023 11:43:43 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Aug 12, 2023 12:31:37 GMT
'Was your identity and culture so fragile that it fell part in some way because some darker skinned people showed up? Can you explain how your identity and culture have been eroded by immigrants? It's 100% the other way around. The culture of Britain is so strong it overwhelms that of the immigrant 'communities' of yore, and third and 4th generation children of immigrants are as British as you and me. Take heart - your culture was not so pathetic that it dried up and blew away at first contact with "the other". I have to disagree with you . The culture has been destroyed irrevocably by overpopulation by immigrant groups who are unable to find adequate housing or jobs . Their quality of life is poor. Neighbourhoods no longer function and eveyrone has to live off takeaways . Violence ,crime and disaffected groups have driven out the ethnic white population and life is shite. I'm not sure that's true - particularly so when looking at some of the more recent eastern european migrants. Poles etc. They largely come to work, to make good money and to work hard. Where I do agree with you is that we have too many people. But I think all the problems you raise would have been just the same had it been say, Australians that came here in their millions instead. Or Americans. The problem is (IMO) density of people regardless of who those people are. I do accept that cultures more alien to "ours" are harder to assimilate but that's as far as I'd go on that.
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Post by registerme on Aug 12, 2023 12:33:02 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 12, 2023 12:49:03 GMT
So the article reports on several unsubstantiated claims of electoral fraud. A lot of that 'claiming' and bad mouthing was done by, here we go again, Nigel Farage, and the Brexit candidate Mike Greene. The article is from 2019 and is regarding the 2019 by-election. It opens with - remembering that it was still June 2019 - that initial police inquiries found that no offences had been committed. 5 electoral fraud allegations were investigated. Going outside that particular article/blog, in July 2019 Cambridgeshire Constabulary concluded their enquiries and announced that no offences had been committed. In 2020, Mike Green was ordered to pay the Labour Party's legal costs after dropping a High Court challenge. In a similar vein, in 2020 Dr Shabina Qayyum, a Labour city councillor in Peterborough, sued Conservative councillor Mr Seaton for libel following allegations he made that she had committed electoral fraud and voter intimidation, stealing the ballots of vulnerable voters, and had associated with known criminals/fraudsters, and had sought to shut down legitimate enquiries by threatening unfounded complaints to the police. In September 2020 she won "substantial damages", an apology and retraction. Seaton’s statement accepted that each one of the allegations was “false and unfounded”, apologised for the distress caused, and confirmed that he was paying her damages and legal costs. His defence was that "[they were]Not my words, copied and pasted from elsewhere”. Very good question: on the basis of evidence presented here, one does have to wonder. I think "had to" could be replaced with "wanted to". As a side note, I'm not exactly against voter id. Though lets be clear, Voter ID as introduced did not affect existing postal votes one jot.
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