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Post by crabbyoldgit on Aug 7, 2023 21:45:49 GMT
Ok declaration, I am a Portlander , lived on the island or in south Dorset all my life. Am I rasist , probably in a kind of unknowing way , I haved lived in an almost exclusively white British society all my life, know practically nobody from Europe talk about Africa or the middle east, so have little or no sensibility of these other cultures. Do I want to be racist, absolutely not and try to hold myself to better standards than in some dark corners I may actually think. So do I have concerns over the barge , absolutely. 1 Fire on a boat is just about the worst thing ever and the barge even tied to a pier is still a boat. Three sides are unavailable for escàpe , she overhangs the pier so in this case three and a bit. There is only 2 gangplanks off,both on the same deck,so anything that prevents people on the other decks being unable to access that deck and they are toast.Jumping into Portland harbour especially in the winter in the dark well those people who jumped off the top of the World Trade Centre had similar odds.Some of these young men are going to get bad news regarding their residency application and the traditional way of expressing your displeasure is to set fire to your bedding ,at least that's what happens in other establishments on the island. 2 Some years ago we had a jackup oil rig tied up not 200m from there. Locals hearing the forecast told the port to insist the rig jacked down it's legs so it stood on the bottom for the storm. What did they know, so we're ignored, now the wind surface area on that rig was a piss in the wind compared to the barge and it started parting mooring lines until it pulled the mooring bollards the size of small cars clean out of the pier. Luckily having blown across the harbour one leg caught around a small pier next to north ship entrance, 30m either way and it would have torn to bits on the breakwater or somewhere up on the foreshore near the Purbecks.Now the barge will not go that way but if we have a spring tide with rare north east gale watch out. The pier she is tied to was fitted out for fleet tenders and such , 60 to 80 footers not a thing that size and if she comes off there is no room to get a tug in to pull her back they will have to wait for the wind to drop. My brother was a tug skipper and the mooring master in the days of the navy and once spent 30hrs pushing a frigate sideways against the pier against the wind with two dog class tugs to stop it tearing the pier apart and a frigate is a toy windige wise. 3 These guys are going to want a bit of entertainmentweekends, chase a few girls, such has always been. When we had 2500 jolly jacks in it was no different, however the provist marshal, known as the crushers, kept a close lid on things and all the navy lads knew causing trouble with the locals would result in unpleasant circumstances when back on ship. These immigrants are on just under £10 a week personal money, in larger towns I expect opportunities were available to top that up a little , car washing is popular I understand.I very think it unlikely that will happen here much , work is scarce and the national minimum wage is the wage, they are going to find life poor, tough , boring and isolated. 4. As for our nhs , well it's 4 weeks for a telephone consultation with a nurse practitioner before you might get an appointment for an actual gp and dentist ,well we are private but our dentist does not have a dentist so at present there is no actual service except clean and polish.
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Post by aj on Aug 8, 2023 13:21:14 GMT
Honestly, I'm not sure what all the media fuss is about with this barge. I expect I wouldn't like it moored up in my neighbourhood and I doubt it's the most pleasant place to live but I can't see it as unethical on the same level as some of the ways the government has been attempting to treat migrants.
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Post by benaj on Aug 8, 2023 14:09:36 GMT
Right now, I am enjoying sunbathing in the sands in an european country. I have no idea what other people might be speaking about me visiting their homeland.
I don’t feel threatened nor seeing any signs I am not welcome. Two weeks ago, I visited a quiet village in England for their local farm production, however it doesn’t matter how long I have lived in Britain but it seems an older generation of people don’t welcome my peaceful visit at all.
No idea why the UK has become a target for asylum seekers while other lovely sands in european countries do not have any presence of refugees nor dinghies.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 8, 2023 17:21:59 GMT
Right now, I am enjoying sunbathing in the sands in an european country. I have no idea what other people might be speaking about me visiting their homeland. I don’t feel threatened nor seeing any signs I am not welcome. Two weeks ago, I visited a quiet village in England for their local farm production, however it doesn’t matter how long I have lived in Britain but it seems an older generation of people don’t welcome my peaceful visit at all. No idea why the UK has become a target for asylum seekers while other lovely sands in european countries do not have any presence of refugees nor dinghies. I'm very sorry to hear that and know there are still some pockets of racists and "you're not from round these parts?" types around - more likely in the elderly generation as you say. My 75 year old neighbour is very nice to me and my Ukranian wife - he certainly has no issue with us as I know him quite well. But he and his wife read the Mail and refers to most kinds of migrants as "illegals" - doesn't even consider for a second that whoever he's using that term to like me, might baulk at it. Personally speaking, I didn't care about immigration until after well after the Brexit vote. I would rather it was kept to a minimum as what frustrates me are the never ending list of large housing developments that are getting built often on green or nearly-green land without corresponding improvements in infrastructure. Although not sure how road widths can be doubled.... I don't care from where someone is and certainly don't care to the colour of their skin. To me they are another person needing a house, car, school place, nhs appointment etc. Yes in theory as net contributors, the public services and infrastructure could be ramped up to match but its very distruptive and things like road capacity can't always be increased. Why is the UK attractive? I can only speculate that jobs are relatively easy to come by, english is the spoken language which is fast becoming the defacto international language, schools and hospitals are ok, the safety net is ok and settling increases settling by which I mean once you're settled somewhere, your relatives are more likely to want to settle and are more likely to have a reason to.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 8, 2023 17:41:19 GMT
Right now, I am enjoying sunbathing in the sands in an european country. I have no idea what other people might be speaking about me visiting their homeland. I don’t feel threatened nor seeing any signs I am not welcome. Two weeks ago, I visited a quiet village in England for their local farm production, however it doesn’t matter how long I have lived in Britain but it seems an older generation of people don’t welcome my peaceful visit at all. No idea why the UK has become a target for asylum seekers while other lovely sands in european countries do not have any presence of refugees nor dinghies. I'm very sorry to hear that and know there are still some pockets of racists and "you're not from round these parts?" types around - more likely in the elderly generation as you say. My 75 year old neighbour is very nice to me and my Ukranian wife - he certainly has no issue with us as I know him quite well. But he and his wife read the Mail and refers to most kinds of migrants as "illegals" - doesn't even consider for a second that whoever he's using that term to like me, might baulk at it. Personally speaking, I didn't care about immigration until after well after the Brexit vote. I would rather it was kept to a minimum as what frustrates me are the never ending list of large housing developments that are getting built often on green or nearly-green land without corresponding improvements in infrastructure. Although not sure how road widths can be doubled.... I don't care from where someone is and certainly don't care to the colour of their skin. To me they are another person needing a house, car, school place, nhs appointment etc. Yes in theory as net contributors, the public services and infrastructure could be ramped up to match but its very distruptive and things like road capacity can't always be increased. Why is the UK attractive? I can only speculate that jobs are relatively easy to come by, english is the spoken language which is fast becoming the defacto international language, schools and hospitals are ok, the safety net is ok and settling increases settling by which I mean once you're settled somewhere, your relatives are more likely to want to settle and are more likely to have a reason to. I wasn't going to chip in on this one, but inspired by michaelc , I will. You all raise a good question, as sitting here in Belgium, I do wonder why anyone would be in a hurry to go to the UK. Rather than threaten Rwanda or the Ascension Island to put off migrants, the government should run a campaign being honest about Britain as a destination. "Poor infrastructure! overcrowded schools! River flooded with sh1t! rampant inflation! Failing health service! Don't Come To Britain! That way the government could make a positive feature of its manifest failures to make come true one of Rishi's five promises. If Britain was a well governed, with balanced and adequate funding of public services and infrastructure, the population wouldn't be so grudgeful about new taxpayers joining them from overseas.
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Post by keitha on Aug 9, 2023 12:40:41 GMT
Interesting comment from an ex squaddie yesterday. The overcrowded rooms for 2 are the same size as 3 soldiers had during the falklands war, he also said that many many homeless ex servicemen would be grateful for such luxurious accomodation.
My opinion we give them 2 choices, the barge or similar or a ticket home. And yes I know this will get some on here screaming at me for being a heartless XXXXXXX.
I've been here in Wales now for nearly 6 years and yes I've been in pubs ( mostly in the north and Anglesey ) where the locals have started to talk in Welsh once they hear an English accent.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 10, 2023 15:46:37 GMT
Interesting comment from an ex squaddie yesterday. The overcrowded rooms for 2 are the same size as 3 soldiers had during the falklands war, he also said that many many homeless ex servicemen would be grateful for such luxurious accomodation. My opinion we give them 2 choices, the barge or similar or a ticket home. And yes I know this will get some on here screaming at me for being a heartless XXXXXXX. I've been here in Wales now for nearly 6 years and yes I've been in pubs ( mostly in the north and Anglesey ) where the locals have started to talk in Welsh once they hear an English accent. I will scream at you for being a heartless XXXXXX. These people are not prisoners or criminals. They are victims of Britain's interference in other countries along with our US allies. They are victims of the underfunding of (everything) the part of the civil service that processes asylum claims. It seems a shame that you have lived more than 60 years but have not developed empathy with fellow humans whose lives we have mucked up.
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Post by keitha on Aug 10, 2023 15:53:18 GMT
IMHO someone applying for asylum should be held in secure accommodation until the case is assessed.
yes same are coming from countries with issues, but the large numbers of Albanians as an example should just be shipped back. Albania is a perfectly safe country.
yes I feel sorry for the displaced from Afghanistan etc, but I also feel a damn sight more empathetic towards ex servicemen and women who have been badly let down by this country.
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Post by ethel on Aug 10, 2023 17:08:28 GMT
Interesting comment from an ex squaddie yesterday. The overcrowded rooms for 2 are the same size as 3 soldiers had during the falklands war, he also said that many many homeless ex servicemen would be grateful for such luxurious accomodation. My opinion we give them 2 choices, the barge or similar or a ticket home. And yes I know this will get some on here screaming at me for being a heartless XXXXXXX. I've been here in Wales now for nearly 6 years and yes I've been in pubs ( mostly in the north and Anglesey ) where the locals have started to talk in Welsh once they hear an English accent. I will scream at you for being a heartless XXXXXX. These people are not prisoners or criminals. They are victims of Britain's interference in other countries along with our US allies. They are victims of the underfunding of (everything) the part of the civil service that processes asylum claims. It seems a shame that you have lived more than 60 years but have not developed empathy with fellow humans whose lives we have mucked up. England is a very small country, with its own problems and limited resources. It's not physically possible for the rest of the world to come and live here, however much they might "deserve" it.
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Post by mogish on Aug 10, 2023 17:24:26 GMT
The processing time is surely the root cause here. Would having adequate resources not be cheaper than the cost to accommodate migrants in hotels up and down the UK. Political parties really need to get a grip on this and pronto. I can see it becoming a hot topic(again)come the next election.
Quicker processing might discourage further landings and a strict processing criteria would send a message the UK is not a soft touch.
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Post by travolta on Aug 10, 2023 19:12:03 GMT
I was born in North London . Enfield was divided in two by the Great Cambridge Road . West :leafy London suburb . East Industial heartland along the River Lee. Best life balance was to live in West and work in East . Now West contains 50;50 white anglo /greek,turkish,asian immigrants. East heavily criminalised by gangs:Albanian ,Black etc. Cars machine gunned ,burned houses etc. A quiet Anglo culture vanishes under the immigration policy over the last 50 years . Am I racist? No ... I now live a mile from my nearest neighbours (welsh sheep farmers). If I lived in my childhood home on a North London council estate I would be heartily pissed off.
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Post by martin44 on Aug 10, 2023 19:22:42 GMT
The processing time is surely the root cause here. Would having adequate resources not be cheaper than the cost to accommodate migrants in hotels up and down the UK. Political parties really need to get a grip on this and pronto. I can see it becoming a hot topic(again)come the next election. Quicker processing might discourage further landings and a strict processing criteria would send a message the UK is not a soft touch. How do you process 500 a day immigrants who have thrown their docs in the sea and are lieing about where they come from?
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 10, 2023 19:23:04 GMT
IMHO someone applying for asylum should be held in secure accommodation until the case is assessed. yes same are coming from countries with issues, but the large numbers of Albanians as an example should just be shipped back. Albania is a perfectly safe country. yes I feel sorry for the displaced from Afghanistan etc, but I also feel a damn sight more empathetic towards ex servicemen and women who have been badly let down by this country. Albanians are being shipped back for exactly the reason you say and so there is no point bringing this up as an issue. There is no equivalence between displaced Afgans and ex-servicemen. Ex-servicemen are not made to vlive on barges. Ex servicemen are not forbidden to work while some Kafkaesque broken system holds their lives suspended.
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Post by martin44 on Aug 10, 2023 19:26:49 GMT
IMHO someone applying for asylum should be held in secure accommodation until the case is assessed. yes same are coming from countries with issues, but the large numbers of Albanians as an example should just be shipped back. Albania is a perfectly safe country. yes I feel sorry for the displaced from Afghanistan etc, but I also feel a damn sight more empathetic towards ex servicemen and women who have been badly let down by this country. Albanians are being shipped back for exactly the reason you say and so there is no point bringing this up as an issue. There is no equivalence between displaced Afgans and ex-servicemen. Ex-servicemen are not made to vlive on barges. Ex servicemen are not forbidden to work while some Kafkaesque broken system holds their lives suspended. Nope.. they live on the street, under a smelly sleeping bag.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 10, 2023 19:28:06 GMT
IMHO someone applying for asylum should be held in secure accommodation until the case is assessed. yes same are coming from countries with issues, but the large numbers of Albanians as an example should just be shipped back. Albania is a perfectly safe country. yes I feel sorry for the displaced from Afghanistan etc, but I also feel a damn sight more empathetic towards ex servicemen and women who have been badly let down by this country. So we invade Afghanistan because some Saudis killed a few thousands americans in New York ( ?) . Then many of them seek shelter in the UK. While we're at it we invade Iraq a couple of times because they have nukes (WTF2 ?). Same result. Would you make exceptions for families with young children? What about the elderly, infirm or mentally ill? Or should we just lock them all up together? Having said that, I do agree with some of the points raised by some on this thread. Mainly why not increase processing times dramatically ? And no doubt the Captain will disagree with me on the next point but why not set up some safe refugee camps until applications are settled?
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