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Post by mostlywrong on Dec 5, 2023 18:14:58 GMT
😅 I have just realised I don’t have enough renewable investment. The closest thing I have is the NSandI green bonds 5.7% for three years, not sure where they invest for green projects. My adventure with Jupiter Ecology came with 5% loss. The closest thing I have on energy is VUSA, holds 1.31 % exxon mobil. NG. isn’t too bad if you grab some 8 weeks ago. I can let you have some GSF and TRIG if you want.
At considerably less than I paid for them...
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Post by michaelc on Dec 5, 2023 18:53:22 GMT
Your links aren't exactly unequivocal are they? And most of them are from the NG. What about power SUPPLY ?
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 5, 2023 18:59:59 GMT
Lots of social media doom and gloom, for sure, but the grown-ups know the luddites don't really matter. The real world is proving that it's all just fine. There's enough 10yo Leafs and Zoes and Model Ss to demonstrate no inherent battery longevity issue - remember, the average car on UK roads is 8yo, and the average age of scrapping is 13yo - while modern IC engines are having more than enough problems of their own with wet cambelts and adblue and particulate filters and high specific output downsized turbos. The national grid think there's no issue with transmission supply and capacity - remember that more energy efficient appliances mean we're already way down on typical consumption from a decade or so ago. Industrial/commercial/retail malaise is also "helping" with that side of consumption... Clearly not a lot of "grown ups" at Sixt (one of the largest car hire companies). They have announced that they will no longer be using Teslas due to horrendous residuals. Seems to be something specific to Teslas rather than electric cars. www.electrive.com/2023/12/01/sixt-says-goodbye-to-the-teslas-in-its-fleet/
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 5, 2023 20:08:16 GMT
Your links aren't exactly unequivocal are they? And most of them are from the NG. What about power SUPPLY ? I haven't read any of the links. This discussion has been had before on here. If NG are saying in public stuff that they see no problem in grid infrastructure over the foreseeable, then they are pretty much on there own in saying so. Its almost certainly nonsense, as virtually no-one else says that. And I've sat in meetings (albeit a handful of years ago) with NG C-Level who have said the opposite. And sat with various industry specialists that have said the same thing. In a very simplistic fashion, the grid has some major challenges to face: 1. shift from pure centralised generation to far greater distributed generation (ongoing process) 2. shift to need for substantially more "battery" storage (required by a shift to bigger %age of renewables in the mix) 3. that battery storage likely needing to itself be distributed (e.g. think of EVs as local storage) 4. significant increase in total electricity demand ("electrification" is a first requisite for de-carbonisation of energy demand) There are I'm sure others. So NG saying otherwise and saying "it will be alright on the night" is I suggest window dressing. It CAN be alright on the night, but that doesn't mean there isn't a significant amount of change and investment required. The rest of the world affirms that and says differently to its all OK. I mean, even as we speak, the average time for a connection for new generation has moved out to what: 10 years ? 15 years ? And we don't have a grid infrastructure problem ? (yes there are multiple reasons for this) None of which is a reason to not electrify: its an absolute must, going hand in hand with shift to non-FF generation.
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Post by keitha on Dec 5, 2023 21:57:39 GMT
😅 I have just realised I don’t have enough renewable investment. The closest thing I have is the NSandI green bonds 5.7% for three years, not sure where they invest for green projects. My adventure with Jupiter Ecology came with 5% loss. The closest thing I have on energy is VUSA, holds 1.31 % exxon mobil. NG. isn’t too bad if you grab some 8 weeks ago. i started moving from FF to green and so far wishing I hadn't most of my green investments well down this year, FF are at least holding their own.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 5, 2023 22:38:38 GMT
Your links aren't exactly unequivocal are they? And most of them are from the NG. What about power SUPPLY ? Let me remind you what you took exception to... The national grid think there's no issue Now, I'm no expert in the fine detail of our electricity grid. But I know who are... and if they've spent years saying the same thing, I'm not naturally inclined to think they're lying through their teeth. But that's beside the point. I did not give my opinion. I do not have an opinion. I said they didn't think there was an issue. If you think there is, don't shoot the messenger.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 5, 2023 23:15:47 GMT
A quick random look at Sixt's website, looking for a car from Berlin airport for four days in the middle of next month... BYD Atto 3 or MG 4- £160 - same prices as a Fiat 500 or VW Polo BMW iX 40 - £240 - same price as a VW Tiguan Merc EQS - £390 - same price as a BMW M440 BMW iX M60 - £540 - same price as a Maserati Grecale So, yeh, they have no issue with BEVs - just one particular manufacturer.
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 6, 2023 0:39:43 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 6, 2023 10:16:31 GMT
How come it's not covered under Tesla's 8-year 'warranty'? You'd have thought it's the one component you'd most want covered.
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Post by benaj on Dec 6, 2023 10:47:43 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Dec 6, 2023 13:21:03 GMT
Wow ! It wasn't clear to me if the battery was more than 8 years old. Of course that's still raises a number of questions even if it was older but I wonder how old and how many miles the car had done? As I say either way, it doesn't look like the national grid has anything to worry about...
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Post by adrianc on Dec 6, 2023 14:12:48 GMT
Wow ! It wasn't clear to me if the battery was more than 8 years old. It's a Model Y in the pics, first UK deliveries early 2022. Drive any car through water deep enough, and you're going to have big problems and a big bill. The question is whether they're lying about water depth, or whether the battery pack was badly sealed from the factory. Tesla clearly don't believe the latter... There's clearly no inherent problem. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzA0U53HF2g
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Post by bernythedolt on Dec 6, 2023 14:15:27 GMT
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Post by benaj on Dec 6, 2023 14:20:24 GMT
Does his insurance pay out for his damage? Or getting revenue from streaming for car replacement?
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Post by adrianc on Dec 6, 2023 14:29:34 GMT
Does his insurance pay out for his damage? If you had a 9yo car with a duff diesel or petrol engine, and decided to blow it up with 30kg of dynamite in an old quarry - all documented on youtube and with press interviews - do you think your insurance would pay? www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_9aVzf5fC4&t=5m11s5.3m views so far. That's probably about US$25k of revenue, but I suspect it cost them a few quid to do - especially since they seem to have decided a helicopter was necessary...
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