keitha
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Post by keitha on Sept 13, 2024 14:01:14 GMT
for those not on TOU tariffs expensive things
Ovens with pyrolytic cleaning, dishwasher or washing machine cleaning cycles. ironing, topping up immersion tanks, electric showers, hoovering. yes I know that some of these take > 1 hour but if 1 hour of it is free it significantly reduces the cost
for those of us with more stuff add in charging house battery ( I dump some before to make space ), running disinfection cycle on hot water storage, charging EV.
As it gets into winter preheating the house using fan / convection heaters.
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Post by spiral on Sept 15, 2024 6:53:04 GMT
for those not on TOU tariffs expensive things dishwasher Our cycle takes about 1.5 hours to complete. The expensive parts are at the start (water heating) and end (drying). I never know which end is best to have in the "cheap" zone i.e do I start at 1230 and have the drying cheap or do I start at 1300 and have the water heat up cheap?
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Sept 15, 2024 10:58:00 GMT
for those not on TOU tariffs expensive things dishwasher Our cycle takes about 1.5 hours to complete. The expensive parts are at the start (water heating) and end (drying). I never know which end is best to have in the "cheap" zone i.e do I start at 1230 and have the drying cheap or do I start at 1300 and have the water heat up cheap? Heating the water is the most expensive end (google is always your friend in these matters) so 1 o'clock kick off. I would be surprised if you only had the one cycle option, using dishwashers is not my speciality subject but I know most have a range of options. Ours certainly fitted into the slot yesterday. As an alternative simply skip the drying part, they will dry anyway in a few hours. My wife suggests if they had one every day we would get a lot more done. I mowed two lawns and trimmed one hedge whist charging a wide range of things. She rather more impressively did the washing and dishwashing, Had a shower vacuumed dried her hair and cooked the evenings dinner.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 15, 2024 11:28:22 GMT
We bought a new wishyBoscher a couple of years ago.
The "ECO" cycle is the slowest - 3hr45. There are (much) faster cycles, but they use more power and/or water. Unless, of course, you're the kind who would think the labelling of the slow one as eco is some kind of conspiracy, although to what benefit for whom I have no idea, but since when did that ever stop a good conspiracy...?
It started off annoying me how slow it is, compared to its predecessor. But now? Meh. I just use the delayed start more, so that it's finishing in the morning or when we get back in, so we can open it still hot and let the heat and humidity out.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 15, 2024 12:21:08 GMT
for those not on TOU tariffs expensive things dishwasher Our cycle takes about 1.5 hours to complete. The expensive parts are at the start (water heating) and end (drying). I never know which end is best to have in the "cheap" zone i.e do I start at 1230 and have the drying cheap or do I start at 1300 and have the water heat up cheap? When energy prices went through the roof I tried using the timer on my dish washer and washing maching to use cheaper economy 7 electricity at night. Didn't appear to make a lot of difference, so I went back todaytime use. My dishwasher cycles range fro 75 minutes up to over 3 hours, and I always use the quickest.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 15, 2024 14:25:28 GMT
If you can get to the socket that it's plugged into... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6FZRNBF/Plug in, run cycle, on each of several different programs. Compare kWh used. |
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Post by michaelc on Sept 18, 2024 17:11:06 GMT
Got an email today saying they couldn't get in to read my meter. I thought one of the advantages of a smart meter was that it didn't need reading.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Sept 18, 2024 17:29:34 GMT
Got an email today saying they couldn't get in to read my meter. I thought one of the advantages of a smart meter was that it didn't need reading. They like to check intermitently that meters are not being tampered with/bypassed. Meter readers are trained to spot all the usual tricks. Not sure sending an email beforehand would be a smart move, sending one afterwards just means you need to check your house for small observation droids. These usually look like spiders.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 18, 2024 20:33:44 GMT
Got an email today saying they couldn't get in to read my meter. I thought one of the advantages of a smart meter was that it didn't need reading. They like to check intermitently that meters are not being tampered with/bypassed. Meter readers are trained to spot all the usual tricks. Not sure sending an email beforehand would be a smart move, sending one afterwards just means you need to check your house for small observation droids. These usually look like spiders. Yes, I also had a physical meter reading/checking visit a while back. Need to make sure the homeowner isn't smarter than the smart meter.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 2, 2024 9:55:54 GMT
Am I missing something here? I'm with Octopus, on their flexible DD non-smart-meter* tariff, with a dual-rate meter, Midlands. Looking at their website, it's currently... 61.56p/day standing 29.67p/kWh day 13.17p/kWh night (...or I could lock in for a year at same daily 26.86p day, 11.93p/night, £0 early exit penalty...) Looking at OFGEM's website, the applicable cap up to today was... 62.79p/day standing 20.42p/kWh - but no breakdown between day or night. ...and that's going up to... 63.62p/day 22.74p/kWh www.ofgem.gov.uk/get-energy-price-cap-standing-charges-and-unit-rates-regionAssuming that cap figure is an averaged rate between the two, then looking back across my historical usage, my day/night split is 64/36, so weighting those rates would put me to 23.43p average. Which is more than the cap...? * I've been waiting for probably two years for a smart meter install date... |
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 2, 2024 10:02:04 GMT
Am I missing something here? I'm with Octopus, on their flexible DD non-smart-meter* tariff, with a dual-rate meter, Midlands. Looking at their website, it's currently... 61.56p/day standing 29.67p/kWh day 13.17p/kWh night (...or I could lock in for a year at same daily 26.86p day, 11.93p/night, £0 early exit penalty...) Looking at OFGEM's website, the applicable cap up to today was... 62.79p/day standing 20.42p/kWh - but no breakdown between day or night. ...and that's going up to... 63.62p/day 22.74p/kWh www.ofgem.gov.uk/get-energy-price-cap-standing-charges-and-unit-rates-regionAssuming that cap figure is an averaged rate between the two, then looking back across my historical usage, my day/night split is 64/36, so weighting those rates would put me to 23.43p average. Which is more than the cap...? * I've been waiting for probably two years for a smart meter install date...well what are the actual rules about dual rate day/night supply and capped tariffs? I know it applies to SVTs have no idea how or indeed if it applies to dual rate. Or are you questioning whether it is worth you staying on the dual rate?
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Post by adrianc on Oct 2, 2024 10:03:56 GMT
well what are the actual rules about dual rate day/night supply and capped tariffs? I know it applies to SVTs have no idea how or indeed if it applies to dual rate. Gawd knows. The OFGEM page only lists that single figure for those of us on "multi-rate" meters. That's a different question, and one to look into. For single-rate, they list... 62.75p/day going to 63.62p 21.69p/kWh going to 23.83p/kWh ...which would support the assumption that the "multi-rate" figure is an average based on some standardised day/night split, but no figure visible as to what that is. It appears I'm currently paying slightly less than the single-rate cap, but more than that presumption of the multi, so I'm definitely better staying on multi. That may be because I use more day, less night than the assumed split.
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Post by spiral on Oct 2, 2024 11:03:52 GMT
Previously on comparison sites, dual tariff rates were assumed at 45% night 55% day (I think) if you didn't have the real numbers to hand. I used to run washing machine/dishwasher overnight and could never get better than 20% at night average. I'm now on a single tariff. I would think 45% is quite difficult for anyone to achieve but perhaps that number is what ofgem work to also.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 2, 2024 11:05:52 GMT
Previously on comparison sites, dual tariff rates were assumed at 45% night 55% day (I think) if you didn't have the real numbers to hand. I used to run washing machine/dishwasher overnight and could never get better than 20% at night average. I'm now on a single tariff. I would think 45% is quite difficult for anyone to achieve but perhaps that number is what ofgem work to also. That would make sense. If I were using 55/45, then my effective rate would be 22.45p, a gnat's under the new cap figure.
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keitha
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Post by keitha on Oct 2, 2024 11:14:41 GMT
Get a battery,
lol I'm 95% plus cheap rate
Rate Consumption Cost
12.78p/kWh 172.6 kWh £22.064
21.31p/kWh 27.1 kWh £5.774
29.83p/kWh 0.4 kWh £0.113
Total consumption 200.1kWh @ 13.97p/kWh † £27.95
Standing Charge 31 days @ 58.28p/day £18.07
Subtotal of charges before VAT £46.02
of the 27.1 at day rate 20 were on free energy sessions so really I only used 7.1 mostly that will be when I draw more than the inverter can supply.
Normally day rate and peak rate are < 5kWh a month
my average cost per kWh is running around 14.2p
my average payment for export 18.3p
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