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Post by adrianc on Oct 4, 2024 12:44:27 GMT
Well, obviously, he doesn't care about the rest of the world. He'll just ignore wars elsewhere as other countries and regions dissolve into flames. Especially those wars that benefit his backers.Make America Insular Again!Oh yes. Wouldn't that be a fine thing? Should the UK be similarly insular, too?
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Post by michaelc on Oct 4, 2024 12:49:12 GMT
I listened in a little to Trump last night. One of the things he said (a manifesto promise in UK terms) was "No Wars!". What the heck is not to like about that? In terms of Ukraine, he was talking about the next step as far as the US population is concerned, would be to send US "kids" to fight there against Russia. Biden/Harris would have no choice if Russia starting taking more and more Ukranian territory which they are doing.Biden can't bring himself to give Ukr permission to use US long range missiles to hit targets inside Russia: he isn't going to send US forces to directly confront Russian ones. Which is the same reason your oft expressed solution of a deep buffer zone which has NATO forces stationed in it as a deterrent/guarantor is also a pipedream. They're different things. Sending troops to get involved in an offesneive pushing Russia out of Ukraine would take a heck of a lot of men. On the other hand my "pipedream" as you kindly put it, would involve token numbers.
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 4, 2024 12:55:52 GMT
Here is a map of the missiles that struck the Navatim Air Base (which is the most heavily defended airspace in Israel), looks like Iran could destroy the base if they sent enough missiles at once. Hopefully Israel realises the balance of power in the region is changing and they need to take a new course.  I think we can assume that the fact that Israeli censors permitted the publication of the image in Israel that the attack is viewed as largely ineffectual. No impact on the ability of Israel to fly missions from the base. Balance of power remains the same, in fact it's shifted towards Israel as it has better relations with neighbouring powers. Israel hasn't responded yet ... might be clearer then where the trousers are ... particularly if the put one of the new US bunker busters through the roof of an underground Iranian facility (unknown if US has supplied but the fact you may not need a MOAB & a B2 to drop it is a potential significant shift in capability)
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Post by adrianc on Oct 4, 2024 13:08:02 GMT
I think we can assume that the fact that Israeli censors permitted the publication of the image in Israel... Point of order, Sir. That's a commercial satellite pic from a US outfit... www.planet.com/...analysed, annotated and re-published by a US academic institute... www.middlebury.edu/institute/The image appears to be from this twix account belonging to somebody who purports to be a US subject-matter expert at that academic institute... So no matter how annoyed the Israeli censors are, there's not a heck of a lot they can do. There doesn't appear to be much damage at all visible in that image, though. Top tweet from that institution, referencing that same poster, in the not-logged-in feed appears topical.
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Post by agent69 on Oct 4, 2024 13:35:32 GMT
I would have thought that there weren't any ladyboys there, but I defer to your greater knowledge of the subject. lol - I thought it was you that regularly travelled to Thailand and enjoyed the night life there. I've never been there. The topic of discussion was flights to Iran and Iraq, to which you said 'Probably not enough lady boys there' (nothing to do with Thailand).
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Post by benaj on Oct 4, 2024 13:46:52 GMT
How many missions can the US support? If this carry on without any clear objectives from the “defender”, will the bear take advantage of this if ultimately the US choose their favourite side?
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Post by angrysaveruk on Oct 4, 2024 13:52:25 GMT
Here is a map of the missiles that struck the Navatim Air Base (which is the most heavily defended airspace in Israel), looks like Iran could destroy the base if they sent enough missiles at once. Hopefully Israel realises the balance of power in the region is changing and they need to take a new course. I think we can assume that the fact that Israeli censors permitted the publication of the image in Israel that the attack is viewed as largely ineffectual. No impact on the ability of Israel to fly missions from the base. Balance of power remains the same, in fact it's shifted towards Israel as it has better relations with neighbouring powers. Israel hasn't responded yet ... might be clearer then where the trousers are ... particularly if the put one of the new US bunker busters through the roof of an underground Iranian facility (unknown if US has supplied but the fact you may not need a MOAB & a B2 to drop it is a potential significant shift in capability) Israel cannot stop satellites taking pictures of their country. There are some images circulating on Telegram that look like they come from some military type satellite given the incredible resolution - possibly Russian - showing extensive damage of aircraft hangars which is where the Iranian statements about damage to Israeli fighter jets is coming from. I am not posting these images here since they are from the IRGC (which might get me arrested in the UK for republishing them) and I do not know if they are legitimate or not.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 4, 2024 14:12:41 GMT
lol - I thought it was you that regularly travelled to Thailand and enjoyed the night life there. I've never been there. The topic of discussion was flights to Iran and Iraq, to which you said 'Probably not enough lady boys there' (nothing to do with Thailand). Someone asked you are you flying to Iran or Iraq for your hols to which I suggested there weren't enough ladyboys there for him (you)......  Apologies if that isn't your taste but I definitely recall somewhere you being very keen on the nightlife in Thailand and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by registerme on Oct 4, 2024 14:17:53 GMT
I think we can assume that the fact that Israeli censors permitted the publication of the image in Israel that the attack is viewed as largely ineffectual. No impact on the ability of Israel to fly missions from the base. Balance of power remains the same, in fact it's shifted towards Israel as it has better relations with neighbouring powers. Israel hasn't responded yet ... might be clearer then where the trousers are ... particularly if the put one of the new US bunker busters through the roof of an underground Iranian facility (unknown if US has supplied but the fact you may not need a MOAB & a B2 to drop it is a potential significant shift in capability) Israel cannot stop satellites taking pictures of their country. There are some images circulating on Telegram that look like they come from some military type satellite given the incredible resolution - possibly Russian - showing extensive damage of aircraft hangars which is where the Iranian statements about damage to Israeli fighter jets is coming from. I am not posting these images here since they are from the IRGC (which might get me arrested in the UK for republishing them) and I do not know if they are legitimate or not. Hypothesis - Iran told countries that would be overflown by their ballistic missiles (eg Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia) in advance. Those countries told the US. The US told Israel. There were no planes on the ground at that airbase at the time of the strike.
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Post by overthehill on Oct 4, 2024 14:36:59 GMT
I looked up some synonyms for No Wars! as promised by Trump - murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, poverty, oppression, occupation, invasion, loss of sovereignty, chamberlain.
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Post by michaelc on Oct 4, 2024 15:02:52 GMT
I looked up some synonyms for No Wars! as promised by Trump - murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, poverty, oppression, occupation, invasion, loss of sovereignty, chamberlain. Don't you mean Wars without the negative ?
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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 4, 2024 15:44:11 GMT
Israel cannot stop satellites taking pictures of their country. There are some images circulating on Telegram that look like they come from some military type satellite given the incredible resolution - possibly Russian - showing extensive damage of aircraft hangars which is where the Iranian statements about damage to Israeli fighter jets is coming from. I am not posting these images here since they are from the IRGC (which might get me arrested in the UK for republishing them) and I do not know if they are legitimate or not. Hypothesis - Iran told countries that would be overflown by their ballistic missiles (eg Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia) in advance. Those countries told the US. The US told Israel. There were no planes on the ground at that airbase at the time of the strike. I'm not sure its even a hypothesis - I think it's confirmed fact isn't it ? I certainly saw the same thing stated in the (derisive sigh) MSM about 24 hours ago. The fact it was going to happen was definitely flagged for a period before hand. Armed with sufficient warning, it would be a bit bonkers to have your aircraft on the ground. Which is not to say that some damage may not have been done: it may simply not have been feasible to have them all out of harms way.
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Post by benaj on Oct 4, 2024 16:48:59 GMT
Assuming information has been passed on, is it possible for iran to disclose all the targets before attack? I suppose the information could have been “false” for better testing. At least to confirm whether information has been leaked.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 4, 2024 17:15:52 GMT
Its a long way from Iran to Israel ... Israel has sophisticated defence systems ... the chance of Iran launching anything without Israel or the US knowing it was coming is miniscule. Planes were airborne to shoot the missiles down, along with Jordan, & US destroyers in the Med.
Pictures have been published in the Israeli press, which can be stopped, that was my point.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 4, 2024 17:36:41 GMT
Its a long way from Iran to Israel ... It's about 500 miles at the nearest point, 650 to Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. Iran is believed to have used Fattah hypersonic missiles, capable of about Mach 13+. That isn't very far at all at that speed. Less than five minutes from launch.
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