michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 12, 2024 20:09:44 GMT
Well, as predicted we fired a bunch of missiles into Yemen. So half of Yemen just got added to the list of foreign actors that will likely want to do us harm. I'm sure there are other disputes around the world we could weigh in on. Some more wrongs that need bombing into rights.... Its not a dispute we are weighing in on ... it's people shooting missiles & drones at commercial shipping on one of the key shipping routes in the world with significant economic impact. Current estimates are .5 increase in inflation, including 25% increase in gas prices, which means energy bills, hence a coalition has taken action. As for adding to foreign actors ... the Houthis are allied with Iran, Hama's & Hezbollah... they were already in the don't like us camp. You still haven't suggested an alternative ... How about playing an equal part in any military action with all the other countries that benefit from that part of the sea remaining open. We don't jump first.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jan 12, 2024 20:34:54 GMT
We can't let a trade route get blocked by anyone. Or do we just let them attack, and destroy shipping because they can and stop trade? I'm not entirely happy with our involvement, but what else can be done? Someone has to be first to sort it out, and we will be suffering from shortages and price increases soon enough.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 12, 2024 20:37:40 GMT
It would not be difficult to get permission from the Saudi's to bomb the Houthis . Wouldn't surprise me if the overflight was over territory of the country the Houthis are lobbing missiles at ... may even be a de-escalation it was us not them doing the strike. As opposed to the following who condemed the attacks:
- Russia
- Iran
- Hamas
- Hezbollah
- Turkey
- Iraq
- Oman
A slightly predictable list, but a bit suprised by Oman. Still they will be easy to sort out, just threaten to stop Oman Air joining the One World Alliance
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Post by registerme on Jan 12, 2024 21:49:21 GMT
Its not a dispute we are weighing in on ... it's people shooting missiles & drones at commercial shipping on one of the key shipping routes in the world with significant economic impact. Current estimates are .5 increase in inflation, including 25% increase in gas prices, which means energy bills, hence a coalition has taken action. As for adding to foreign actors ... the Houthis are allied with Iran, Hama's & Hezbollah... they were already in the don't like us camp. You still haven't suggested an alternative ... How about playing an equal part in any military action with all the other countries that benefit from that part of the sea remaining open. We don't jump first. By that line of reasoning we should have no police because not everybody is willing to be a police officer.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jan 12, 2024 22:51:11 GMT
How about playing an equal part in any military action with all the other countries that benefit from that part of the sea remaining open. We don't jump first. By that line of reasoning we should have no police because not everybody is willing to be a police officer. Before you start getting excited about the RAFs involvement in this illegal attack on Yemen you should read into what the UK actually did, it sent 4 Typhoon Fighters and bombed 2 sites. The Saudi Airforce of 100s of fighter jets and bombers have been bombing Yemen for years and has given up on the idea of getting rid of the Houthi. Most of their missile and facilities are under ground or hidden in mountains, this is just another strategic mistake by the US and its lap dogs in the British Government. 
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 12, 2024 23:41:52 GMT
By that line of reasoning we should have no police because not everybody is willing to be a police officer. Before you start getting excited about the RAFs involvement in this illegal attack on Yemen you should read into what the UK actually did, it sent 4 Typhoon Fighters and bombed 2 sites. The Saudi Airforce of 100s of fighter jets and bombers have been bombing Yemen for years and has given up on the idea of getting rid of the Houthi. Most of their missile and facilities are under ground or hidden in mountains, this is just another strategic mistake by the US and its lap dogs in the British Government. You'll need legal support for the illegal attacks argument given the Houthis have clearly acting illegally & condemned by UN resolution. You appear to be confusing Saudi attacks as part of a war against the Houthis with targeted military strikes against a specific capability to attack shipping. That said I doubt anyone is expecting an overnight solution merely capability degradation.
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 12, 2024 23:47:35 GMT
Global Britain, innit. We're so much more than a small lump of damp rock off the north coast of Europe, or something. Global superpower, Britannia rules the waves, Empire... HUZZAH! It's not quite as simple as UK/US alone, though. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Prosperity_GuardianAus, Canada, South Korea, Germany, NL, Bahrain were also all involved in last night's strikes, and there's a few others involved in the ongoing joint ops - but, yeh, if the US is the "world's policeman", we're carrying the evidence bags back to the van as usual. Canada was NOT involved at all. And the others were supposedly involved in a "support" capacity. Nope, Canada provided support
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 13, 2024 8:48:14 GMT
Global Britain, innit. We're so much more than a small lump of damp rock off the north coast of Europe, or something. Global superpower, Britannia rules the waves, Empire... HUZZAH! It's not quite as simple as UK/US alone, though. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Prosperity_GuardianAus, Canada, South Korea, Germany, NL, Bahrain were also all involved in last night's strikes, and there's a few others involved in the ongoing joint ops - but, yeh, if the US is the "world's policeman", we're carrying the evidence bags back to the van as usual. Canada was NOT involved at all. And the others were supposedly involved in a "support" capacity. I guess Trudeau was lying then when he gave a press conference saying that Canada had provideded "support".
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 13, 2024 8:57:27 GMT
Its not a dispute we are weighing in on ... it's people shooting missiles & drones at commercial shipping on one of the key shipping routes in the world with significant economic impact. Current estimates are .5 increase in inflation, including 25% increase in gas prices, which means energy bills, hence a coalition has taken action. As for adding to foreign actors ... the Houthis are allied with Iran, Hama's & Hezbollah... they were already in the don't like us camp. You still haven't suggested an alternative ... How about playing an equal part in any military action with all the other countries that benefit from that part of the sea remaining open. We don't jump first. Who do you propose has the actual capability and capacity for this type of action ? Especially 'in a hurry' which is what we think happened - combination of intelligence and the increasing severity of the attacks ? There are very few countries. Previously you listed countries like Norway and Denmark. What assets do they have with the capability let alone AND close enough to the region? A reminder that these are very small countries with limited - but good for their size - military capabilities. One of the few that spring to mind is France: it has ships with land attack capability I think and I'm pretty sure has bases which are close enough to do similar to the UK. Whether the CDG is in the area or in dock I don't know. Other than that, it is a very short list. Even the UK is not in a great position: it was able to do this using aircraft from Cyrpus. It would not have been able to do it with (surface) sea to land: it has long since denuded itself of that capability (but does have sub launched TLAM). Turkey of course. But Erdogan has long since become a transactional politician and given the wider geo political context even if he wasn't nobody would have expected him to get involved. It's possible that France was actually approached but declined to take part: they have made a point of saying their assets are only protecting French ships. Which TBF is a bit s*** of them.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2024 9:23:56 GMT
Global Britain, innit. We're so much more than a small lump of damp rock off the north coast of Europe, or something. Global superpower, Britannia rules the waves, Empire... HUZZAH! It's not quite as simple as UK/US alone, though. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Prosperity_GuardianAus, Canada, South Korea, Germany, NL, Bahrain were also all involved in last night's strikes, and there's a few others involved in the ongoing joint ops - but, yeh, if the US is the "world's policeman", we're carrying the evidence bags back to the van as usual. Canada was NOT involved at all. And the others were supposedly involved in a "support" capacity. Canada might not have actually lit the blue touchpaper on any hardware, but they were involved. Two Canadian military planners and one intelligence operative were part of the operational planning. nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-helped-plan-but-didnt-have-assets-to-participate-in-u-s-u-k-strikes-against-houthis
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 13, 2024 10:21:30 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Jan 13, 2024 13:32:17 GMT
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Post by keitha on Jan 13, 2024 14:11:46 GMT
It's possible that France was actually approached but declined to take part: they have made a point of saying their assets are only protecting French ships. Which TBF is a bit s*** of them. typical attitude from them, presumably they will expect us and the US to help if more of their ships are attacked than they can handle at once, at the moment though the Houthi drones are apparently costing £17,000 each we are using missiles at £1m each to destroy them
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Post by michaelc on Jan 13, 2024 14:19:07 GMT
It's possible that France was actually approached but declined to take part: they have made a point of saying their assets are only protecting French ships. Which TBF is a bit s*** of them. typical attitude from them, presumably they will expect us and the US to help if more of their ships are attacked than they can handle at once, at the moment though the Houthi drones are apparently costing £17,000 each we are using missiles at £1m each to destroy them So who is degrading who? As for France, and every country in Europe except the UK, they seem to be playing this smartly.
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 13, 2024 14:45:07 GMT
It's possible that France was actually approached but declined to take part: they have made a point of saying their assets are only protecting French ships. Which TBF is a bit s*** of them. typical attitude from them, presumably they will expect us and the US to help if more of their ships are attacked than they can handle at once, at the moment though the Houthi drones are apparently costing £17,000 each we are using missiles at £1m each to destroy them “Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. You just leave a lot of useless noisy baggage behind”. Babbin 2003
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