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Post by keitha on Nov 4, 2024 11:19:22 GMT
just read this :- www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6245454rj3othis from one of the investigators is horrifying By 9 September 2022, the decision had been made to open a homicide investigation.
“It was fed back to us... that if we hadn’t done it at that time then it’s likely there would have been a level of disorder,” says Mr Naseem. “Things were on a knife edge”.so decisions not made on facts, but on the basis that there might be problems if they didn't charge the officer, |
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 11:41:04 GMT
just read this :- www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6245454rj3othis from one of the investigators is horrifying By 9 September 2022, the decision had been made to open a homicide investigation.
“It was fed back to us... that if we hadn’t done it at that time then it’s likely there would have been a level of disorder,” says Mr Naseem. “Things were on a knife edge”.so decisions not made on facts, but on the basis that there might be problems if they didn't charge the officer, Note the difference between "Within two hours of the shooting of Mr Kaba, the IOPC was called in. Its task was to assess whether the use of lethal force was lawful or whether criminal offences may have been committed. It had the remit to send files to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
By 9 September 2022, the decision had been made to open a homicide investigation."and actually CHARGING the officer. The wording of the Beeb article doesn't say who was opening the homicide investigation - the IOPC or the CPS - but the CPS don't investigate. They prosecute. So that was the IOPC opening the investigation, three to four days after being called in. Also...
"The man who led the investigation into the shooting of Chris Kaba has defended the decision that led to a firearms officer being unsuccessfully tried for murder.
Sal Naseem's assessment that murder may have been committed has drawn fierce criticism following the acquittal of the officer. But speaking publicly for the first time about the case, he told BBC Panorama he had not been convinced that Mr Kaba presented a sufficient danger to justify being shot.
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Panorama has spoken to a former Met Police firearms officer who believes 24-year-old Chris Kaba would have survived the police operation to carry out an armed stop on the night of 5 September 2022, were it not for the unexpected intervention of the police car containing Sgt Blake.
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Mr Naseem led the investigation for the police watchdog, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC). This is the first time he has spoken publicly about the Kaba case.
“A police officer can only use lethal force when it’s absolutely necessary,” he says. At the point the weapon was fired, Mr Naseem says that he did not think that appeared to be the case."
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Post by keitha on Nov 4, 2024 13:34:29 GMT
Sal Naseem may have had a very different view had he actually been on the scene.
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Post by alender on Nov 4, 2024 20:03:57 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 20:13:17 GMT
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 20:38:18 GMT
1/ How does public opinion affect justice once the trial has ended ? 2/ You've missed possibility that a jury member has spoken to said Mail.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 21:32:12 GMT
2/ You've missed possibility that a jury member has spoken to said Mail. No, I really haven't.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 21:47:10 GMT
2/ You've missed possibility that a jury member has spoken to said Mail. No, I really haven't. And point 1 ?
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 21:49:51 GMT
...is irrelevant. A juror doing that has not only committed contempt, by going against the judge's specific instructions, but has also broken the law around juror anonymity and revealing deliberations.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 21:51:34 GMT
...is irrelevant. A juror doing that has not only committed contempt, by going against the judge's specific instructions, but has also broken the law around juror anonymity and revealing deliberations. But the trial has finished at that point. I guess I'm daring to question the decision of a judge. OMG!
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 21:53:59 GMT
...is irrelevant. A juror doing that has not only committed contempt, by going against the judge's specific instructions, but has also broken the law around juror anonymity and revealing deliberations. But the trial has finished at that point. I guess I'm daring to question the decision of a judge. OMG! So you're going with a "public interest" defence to the contempt charge, are you? Good luck. That's worked out so well for Tommy Two-Passports-Yacketty-Lenin. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 22:05:58 GMT
But the trial has finished at that point. I guess I'm daring to question the decision of a judge. OMG! Good luck. That's worked out so well for Tommy Two-Passports-Yacketty-Lenin. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!Nope, I'm just chatting about it on a forum. No conspiracies here. I'm asking why a judge should gag the jury in this case once the trial is over?
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 4, 2024 22:16:22 GMT
...is irrelevant. A juror doing that has not only committed contempt, by going against the judge's specific instructions, but has also broken the law around juror anonymity and revealing deliberations. But the trial has finished at that point. I guess I'm daring to question the decision of a judge. OMG! I /think/ it is normal practise/a requirement in UK cases (this is contrast to the US). Jurors can talk about what happened in the courtroom - not surprisingly as we have public courts so that is just permission to talk about what is in the public domain - but they are forbidden to talk about what happened in the deliberation room. A discussion between jurors concluding that the case should not have been brought - or the opposite - is de facto a 'deliberation room' discussion, not proceedings of the the courtroom. So rightly or wrongly, it wouldn't be surprising that a judge said no: he is not really "making a decision" in any personal subjective sense, he is simply making a ruling as to what it falls under. Just my immediate take on it. In the US of course, we know that jurors can talk to the press freely once a trial has concluded.
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Post by keitha on Nov 4, 2024 22:32:31 GMT
But the trial has finished at that point. I guess I'm daring to question the decision of a judge. OMG! I /think/ it is normal practise/a requirement in UK cases (this is contrast to the US). Jurors can talk about what happened in the courtroom - not surprisingly as we have public courts so that is just permission to talk about what is in the public domain - but they are forbidden to talk about what happened in the deliberation room. A discussion between jurors concluding that the case should not have been brought - or the opposite - is de facto a 'deliberation room' discussion, not proceedings of the the courtroom. So rightly or wrongly, it wouldn't be surprising that a judge said no: he is not really "making a decision" in any personal subjective sense, he is simply making a ruling as to what it falls under. Just my immediate take on it. In the US of course, we know that jurors can talk to the press freely once a trial has concluded. Usually not freely they are compensated handsomely for appearances, statements etc
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Post by alender on Nov 5, 2024 22:59:28 GMT
But the trial has finished at that point. I guess I'm daring to question the decision of a judge. OMG! So you're going with a "public interest" defence to the contempt charge, are you? Good luck. That's worked out so well for Tommy Two-Passports-Yacketty-Lenin. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!If this was not true I don't think the Daily Mail would have risked publishing this as they would be in serious trouble with IPSO. GB News and others reported this so are they all lying? GB News stated that the Jury wanted to make a statement that this prosecution should not have taken place. Given OFCOM are all over GB News for the slightest thing I am sure they would not have said this unless they can back it up. Also reported headtopics.com/uk/chris-kaba-jury-wanted-to-make-public-statement-but-were-60745686It is interesting that if you Google this you will not find anything, Conspiracy, if it looks a duck, quakes like a duck or just apply Occam's razor, Hunter Biden Laptop anyone.
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