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Post by ablender on Jan 14, 2016 0:21:56 GMT
Am I the only person who hasn't seen a box to tick yet? Probably yes by now.
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 14, 2016 0:22:19 GMT
I have an idea Everybody ignore sunspotDon't feed the trolls people. It only encourages them.....
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Post by james on Jan 14, 2016 0:43:16 GMT
I'm also aware of a computerised solution based on attacking captchas with accessibility compatible solutions that provide audio readouts of the answer. ... I've also got another couple of tricks that may allow you to work around recaptcha but I'll keep those closer to my chest lest I give too much away to the bot writers. Here, it's worth remembering that the captcha is to solve a generic wide access site problem while a P2P site has a narrow and known user problem that is much simpler. if a person is persistent enough to be a pain there is no requirement to continue to do business with them. It's hard for a bot to circumvent a "no purchases permitted" flag set on an account. Or a "no audio captcha, not visually impaired" flag. Sometimes technical solutions just aren't the neatest solutions, helpful though they can be.
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Post by sunspot on Jan 14, 2016 1:16:58 GMT
Thinking about this post together with your previous post where you mentioned hacking SS in an Anonymous style; Should we take your stance as a threat? Will you be the one bringing the lawsuit against any of the platforms? I think that your wording is verging on abusive. Moderators can you please look into this? Plank! Go back and read what I wrote. As for me bringing a lawsuit - that's NOT how it works. All someone has to do is raise a complaint with the relevant authority (probably the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, but I'm not sure). And quite frankly, I don't think SS would have a leg to stand on. Furthermore, if I had a mind to start writing code, the new system is far better for me because I could use tools that I'm familiar with. Yes, the captcha requires manual intervention, but I could automate everything else quite easily (albeit crudely) and do so in a way that was completely undetectable. Under the old system, in order to compete on speed, I would probably have needed to use Perl, which I hate. Oh yes, if I can write automation code, you can bet other people can too, and will. So even though bots will be slower than before, and will need humans to solve the captcha, it won't be a level playing field for long - the usual suspects will still be way out in front.
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Post by ablender on Jan 14, 2016 7:32:48 GMT
Thinking about this post together with your previous post where you mentioned hacking SS in an Anonymous style; Should we take your stance as a threat? Will you be the one bringing the lawsuit against any of the platforms? I think that your wording is verging on abusive. Moderators can you please look into this? Plank! Go back and read what I wrote. As for me bringing a lawsuit - that's NOT how it works. All someone has to do is raise a complaint with the relevant authority (probably the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, but I'm not sure). And quite frankly, I don't think SS would have a leg to stand on. Furthermore, if I had a mind to start writing code, the new system is far better for me because I could use tools that I'm familiar with. Yes, the captcha requires manual intervention, but I could automate everything else quite easily (albeit crudely) and do so in a way that was completely undetectable. Under the old system, in order to compete on speed, I would probably have needed to use Perl, which I hate. Oh yes, if I can write automation code, you can bet other people can too, and will. So even though bots will be slower than before, and will need humans to solve the captcha, it won't be a level playing field for long - the usual suspects will still be way out in front. Thanks for your reply. For me it clearly shows where you come from and where you stand. You registered on this forum (at least with this user name) very recently - when the discussion of bots started being discussed. I suspect that you have been already registered on this forum with a different user name and thus fully aware of what was happening and said here. For whatever reason, you just did not want to use your usual registration. Are you by any chance a bot user who has been negatively effected by the recent SS changes? You do say that you have the ability to do so. That is more than I can claim. See also: p2pindependentforum.com/post/83685/threadYou proposed a system which was flatly rejected on this forum. You could not get it through the door and would like to force it through the window. See thread : p2pindependentforum.com/thread/4086/bots-prefunding-secondary-marketYou joined SS very recently and want to dictate the system. I do not know how that sounds to your ears but to mine, it is very dissonant. p2pindependentforum.com/post/84537/threadIf you prefer a queuing system, you have no right to force it down our throats. There are other platforms which offer such systems. p2pindependentforum.com/post/84454/threadand p2pindependentforum.com/post/84175/threadI think that the expression that applies to the situation at this point is "poor looser". Also I cannot understand how after referring to captchas as not the good, it seems that you recently changed your mind and suggested that captchas are good: p2pindependentforum.com/post/85124/threadFinally you have not said anything about your legal knowledge / authority. Are you a lawyer or a judge? I need to know because I need to understand if your take on the law is your own personal opinion or a professional legal one.
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Post by sunspot on Jan 14, 2016 10:14:47 GMT
ablender
I am entirely new to P2P investing - up until a couple of months ago, most of my cash was tied up in a long term bond (at a very healthy rate of interest by today's standards). I believe that answers most of your stupid assumptions.
As to the law, I have offered an opinion. If you disagree, that's fine, but if you had any understanding of the subject (or of disabilities) your view would likely be very different.
I consider myself to be a medium-sized investor. I also consider the wild west nature of the secondary market to be an absolute joke. Again, you may disagree, but "bot wars" broke out because serious investors also considered it to be a joke. Those serious investors typically don't bother hanging around forums like this, or getting into silly arguments with silly people who believe they have physic powers of deduction. Trust me, Sherlock Holmes you are not!
Oh yes, the phrase is "poor loser". Sadly, spell checkers are not yet sufficient for some people.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 14, 2016 10:38:41 GMT
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 14, 2016 10:41:07 GMT
... getting into silly arguments with silly people who believe they have physic powers of deduction. Trust me, Sherlock Holmes you are not! Oh yes, the phrase is "poor loser". Sadly, spell checkers are not yet sufficient for some people. Quite!
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 14, 2016 10:51:44 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 14, 2016 10:52:21 GMT
All forum members are reminded of the first forum rule: Please be polite and constructive. This thread has included personal attacks and language which are not acceptable on the forum. I am not inclined to review the entire thread to see whether this has been an entirely one way or in some cases 2 or 3 way thing. However sunspot a number of your posts particularly jump out as inappropriate, particularly with regard to not being polite and indulging in personal insults. I suggest you go back and review those, although editing them is a bit late due to the re-tweets. Continued breach of this etiquette by a forum member is liable to lead to that member being banned.
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Post by sunspot on Jan 14, 2016 13:14:00 GMT
Bracknellboy, With respect, I did NOT start this argument, NOR did I resort to name calling, such as "troll" which you have conspicuously left untouched, in the form of a huge picture! What I did, is convey my opinion that the current system operated by SS breaches equalities legislation. I was then attacked, insulted, called a "troll", and a "poor looser" (sic) etc. You might want to think about that! If Captchas are in breach of disability discrimination legislation, then the problem is not just SS's If you care to do some research, you'll very quickly find that Google is well aware of their obligations with respect to equalities, and offer various alternatives (as do other captcha providers). However, you've missed the point entirely - any system of buying that disadvantages certain protected groups is sure to fall outside the law. A fastest finger first system is therefore guaranteed to do so, because it will leave those with limited upper body mobility at a disadvantage. It also disadvantages the elderly - people do slow down as they get older. That's two groups. It also disadvantages those with slow internet connections (although they're not a protected group). Furthermore, it encourages reckless buying, which might well be against FCA rules - and if it isn't, it certainly should be!
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Post by Liz on Jan 14, 2016 13:29:08 GMT
This is my first post on the thread, but have read most of it. Moderators time to close the thread I think.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 14, 2016 13:30:44 GMT
sunspot : you will have noticed that I made reference to there being possibility of it having been more than one way traffic. I have deliberately chosen not to edit ANY of the posts - including yours - as I was not inclined to spend time reviewing the whole thread. So I have left ALL posts untouched - for now and have reminded members of appropriate etiquette going forward. However I did call you out as on my perusal I could see at least two if not more posts of yours which are directly insulting either an individual or a group of individuals and because the tone of a number of your posts were 'aggressive'. I will not be commenting further on the historic posts on this thread. As per my earlier, I am interested in ensuring the future posts are within bounds. Edit: and the thread will be closed if handbag waving continues, which would be a pity because there has been some useful discussion on it in between the spats.
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Post by jonno on Jan 14, 2016 13:35:21 GMT
sunspot ; calm down,take a chill pill and come and sit next to me on the naughty step.
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Post by cooling_dude on Jan 14, 2016 13:45:28 GMT
Bracknellboy, With respect, I did NOT start this argument, NOR did I resort to name calling, such as "troll" which you have conspicuously left untouched, in the form of a huge picture! What I did, is convey my opinion that the current system operated by SS breaches equalities legislation. I was then attacked, insulted, called a "troll", and a "poor looser" (sic) etc. You might want to think about that! If Captchas are in breach of disability discrimination legislation, then the problem is not just SS's If you care to do some research, you'll very quickly find that Google is well aware of their obligations with respect to equalities, and offer various alternatives (as do other captcha providers). However, you've missed the point entirely - any system of buying that disadvantages certain protected groups is sure to fall outside the law. A fastest finger first system is therefore guaranteed to do so, because it will leave those with limited upper body mobility at a disadvantage. It also disadvantages the elderly - people do slow down as they get older. That's two groups. It also disadvantages those with slow internet connections (although they're not a protected group). Furthermore, it encourages reckless buying, which might well be against FCA rules - and if it isn't, it certainly should be! sunspot; I apologise for suggesting you are a troll. I just feel that your topic of discrimination is a sensitive issue which is irrelevant to this topic IMHO. You seem to be using it because you yourself are upset by not being able to get a foothold on the SM, and personally I feel uncomfortable by your willingness to do so.
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