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Post by sqh on Jun 7, 2017 12:02:54 GMT
JC has been trying to work miracles with 3rd tier MPs in the Shadow Cabinet because most of the big beasts galloped away to wait for YC or DM to launch a coup. Well, JC certainly needs to work miracles. If he loses the election he might face a Labour party coup. If he wins, he might face a military coup.
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Post by stub8535 on Jun 7, 2017 12:56:44 GMT
sky interview link
Diane is out of hiding and managed to produce another disasterous performance on Sky discussing major policing report. Last bit is like Blackadder trying to teach Baldrick to count. After that performance maybe the Biased Broadcasting Company decided she was too great a liability to Labour’s campaign to allow her on air? order-order.com/2017/06/06/diane-pulls-womans-hour/The nursrs in white coats probably took her back to central office for reprogramming by BA IT specialists b4 bbc could get to her.
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Post by stub8535 on Jun 7, 2017 13:02:04 GMT
One rule for all seems to be applied here. Cant see the problem😊
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Post by stub8535 on Jun 7, 2017 13:05:17 GMT
Who in their right mind would want to win it? They will have to preside over the biggest, most expensive, shambles of any government (and there's plenty of competition for that title) with brexit. Any possible benefits won't be seen until well after the next election or even the one after that. My bold... I think Theresa may is deadly serious about winning this general election, she is without doubt the only legitimate candidate to see us through a Brit positive brexit ( and i hope she does win) Indeed the benefits may not be seen for some years.... But.... If she does get it right, then the spoils will be the Tories for the next 15/20 years. From where i am sat now, i have no idea if this will be a good thing or a bad thing, but Theresa may will get my vote on Thursday. Thats nice
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 7, 2017 13:24:26 GMT
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Post by registerme on Jun 7, 2017 14:09:53 GMT
"PC Plod" will try to find them, arrest them and charge them. Then the CPS will decide on which charges to take to court. They'll be tried, and if found guilty sentenced.
As with any other crime. Including those committed against Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, blacks, whites, women, children, men, asians, atheist, pro-lifers et cetera ad infinitum.
Now either this thread returns to discussing the election or it gets locked.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 7, 2017 14:27:31 GMT
"PC Plod" will try to find them, arrest them and charge them. Then the CPS will decide on which charges to take to court. They'll be tried, and if found guilty sentenced. As with any other crime. Including those committed against Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, blacks, whites, women, children, men, asians, atheist, pro-lifers et cetera ad infinitum. Now either this thread returns to discussing the election or it gets locked.I trust that this will be considered to be back on piste? www.conservativewoman.co.uk/andrew-tettenborn-vote-corbyn-get-venezuela-bring-loo-paper/
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Post by r1200gs on Jun 7, 2017 14:57:38 GMT
"PC Plod" will try to find them, arrest them and charge them. Then the CPS will decide on which charges to take to court. They'll be tried, and if found guilty sentenced. As with any other crime. Including those committed against Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Muslims, blacks, whites, women, children, men, asians, atheist, pro-lifers et cetera ad infinitum. Now either this thread returns to discussing the election or it gets locked.I trust that this will be considered to be back on piste? www.conservativewoman.co.uk/andrew-tettenborn-vote-corbyn-get-venezuela-bring-loo-paper/I love the way the rioting in the streets has been dismissed by government as a "protest by the rich". Yea, right. By the way, is the threat to lock the thread simply because the subject of Muslims is off the thread topic, or is it out of bounds in general?
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Post by registerme on Jun 7, 2017 15:42:51 GMT
Generalising about 1.6 billion people is unhelpful to anybody. It has also got nothing to do with the UK 2017 General Election. Additionally whilst it is reasonable to discuss the security situation in the UK, carefully, in the context of the election, if you want to discuss Islam in general I am sure there are better places to do so than on a P2P forum. Personally speaking I am extremely uncomfortable with those who choose to throw mud at one segment of society to the exclusion of all others, no matter how carefully worded that mud happens to be.
These threads always go downhill. One group of people will eventually be offended by what they consider to be racism. Another will be offended by what they consider to be political correctness. And no doubt yet another will be offended by what they consider to be censorship on the part of the moderators.
If the entire discussion about the election revolves around "Muslims" then the idiots in Manchester, London and elsewhere will have been handed a victory they don't deserve. I suggest we avoid that.
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Post by pip on Jun 7, 2017 16:18:23 GMT
I wanted to make a general point on elections in a media age. Maybe apart from this forum (let's face it P2P lending was always going to attract more Conservative of people) one thing that strikes me is how you really cannot judge popular opinion by Facebook or twitter posts or protest numbers.
I don't know why but continually if I go onto my Facebook page (and I don't think I have a disproportionate number of left wing friends) I would say 90-95% of the posts are pro Corbyn or anti Conservative. The same is true of marches and protests, although probably there more like 99.9% left wing focused.
Why I am not sure, maybe the left just lends itself to protest, maybe it just encourages those who speak up. Maybe it's easier to make a good soundbite if you are on the left, you just need to watch comedy for that. Maybe those on the right are just quieter folk who don't think they need the world to know what they think. Maybe some are scared to admit to how they will vote.
You can well understand why it is so difficult for pollsters in the current climate. Based on social media and even based on what you see and hear you could imagine Corbyn will walk it. But the same was true of Remain (ok I know not strictly left right but it largely was!) and Hilary Clinton and look at what happened to them. I may eat my hat here, but I am going to say Corbyn will do a lot worse than people are thinking and leave people again scratching their head as to why.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 7, 2017 23:47:56 GMT
I wanted to make a general point on elections in a media age. Maybe apart from this forum (let's face it P2P lending was always going to attract more Conservative of people) one thing that strikes me is how you really cannot judge popular opinion by Facebook or twitter posts or protest numbers. I don't know why but continually if I go onto my Facebook page (and I don't think I have a disproportionate number of left wing friends) I would say 90-95% of the posts are pro Corbyn or anti Conservative. The same is true of marches and protests, although probably there more like 99.9% left wing focused. Why I am not sure, maybe the left just lends itself to protest, maybe it just encourages those who speak up. Maybe it's easier to make a good soundbite if you are on the left, you just need to watch comedy for that. Maybe those on the right are just quieter folk who don't think they need the world to know what they think. Maybe some are scared to admit to how they will vote. You can well understand why it is so difficult for pollsters in the current climate. Based on social media and even based on what you see and hear you could imagine Corbyn will walk it. But the same was true of Remain (ok I know not strictly left right but it largely was!) and Hilary Clinton and look at what happened to them. I may eat my hat here, but I am going to say Corbyn will do a lot worse than people are thinking and leave people again scratching their head as to why. "The same is true of marches and protests, although probably there more like 99.9% left wing focused." That has been the norm for the last 50 years starting with anti Vietnam protests. "maybe the left just lends itself to protest" Sure does, because the left believes it has the moral high ground and always knows what is best for the rest of us. "Maybe it's easier to make a good soundbite if you are on the left, you just need to watch comedy for that." Yes and many are champagne socialists who would become tax exiles if Corbyn increased tax on higher earners leaving the rest of us to foot the bill. Do as I say, not as I do is their motto, seen it all before. “Maybe those on the right are just quieter folk who don't think they need the world to know what they think.” Funnily enough, my daughter said the same thing last week and I’m sure you’re both correct, having said that, I’m on the right and not particularly quiet! "I may eat my hat here, but I am going to say Corbyn will do a lot worse than people are thinking and leave people again scratching their head as to why." I hope you’re proved right and if so, I believe the reason will be that the majority of people regardless of party loyalty have no time for the nonsense peddled by a gang of Marxists.
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 8, 2017 0:02:00 GMT
Generalising about 1.6 billion people is unhelpful to anybody. It has also got nothing to do with the UK 2017 General Election. Additionally whilst it is reasonable to discuss the security situation in the UK, carefully, in the context of the election, if you want to discuss Islam in general I am sure there are better places to do so than on a P2P forum. Personally speaking I am extremely uncomfortable with those who choose to throw mud at one segment of society to the exclusion of all others, no matter how carefully worded that mud happens to be.
These threads always go downhill. One group of people will eventually be offended by what they consider to be racism. Another will be offended by what they consider to be political correctness. And no doubt yet another will be offended by what they consider to be censorship on the part of the moderators.
If the entire discussion about the election revolves around "Muslims" then the idiots in Manchester, London and elsewhere will have been handed a victory they don't deserve. I suggest we avoid that. I beg to differ, radicalisation, integration and social cohesion need to be addressed by government and the Muslim community rather than sweeping it under the carpet as has been the case until now, therefore it is a legitimate subject for discussion in the context of an election campaign. However, I take heed of your comments.
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Post by jonah on Jun 8, 2017 5:12:15 GMT
I don't know why but continually if I go onto my Facebook page (and I don't think I have a disproportionate number of left wing friends) I would say 90-95% of the posts are pro Corbyn or anti Conservative. Facebook is very much an echo chamber...
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 8, 2017 6:54:17 GMT
I don't know why but continually if I go onto my Facebook page (and I don't think I have a disproportionate number of left wing friends) I would say 90-95% of the posts are pro Corbyn or anti Conservative. whereas mine has been more biased to Conservatives. I'm not a big face book user, but it strikes me there is something unseemly, even perhaps juvenile about trying to make seroius political points by virture of "reposting" or commenting on things via face book and other such outlets. Not only does it not seem like an appropriate meidium for serious debate (generally) but why would your supposed 'friends' want to have stuff rammed down their throats which may grate. i've seen colleagues in a small company counter posting material to score political points on facebook. It seems about as appropriate as The Donald having a Twitter account. The number of people I follow has dropped considerably the last coupel of weeks: and I wasn't much of a user anyway...
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Post by yorkshireman on Jun 8, 2017 9:17:22 GMT
Well, we’ve finally arrived at polling day and having spoken with neighbours, no one has seen any canvassers for any party or in the case of UKIP not even pamphlets or mail shots.
Whilst the council ward is staunchly Conservative no party has overall control of the council, the area voted 55/45 to leave the EU and the parliamentary constituency we live in is a bellwether seat with a Tory majority of approximately 4000 in 2015 therefore I would have expected Labour to target it having held it from 1997 to 2010.
So, does the absence of canvassing indicate that the Conservatives are confident of winning and increasing their majority here, picking up the sizeable 2015 UKIP vote along the way whilst Labour are just going through the motions possibly concentrating their efforts on the other parliamentary constituency within the council area where Labour has a wafer thin majority and the Conservatives will be aiming to attract another substantial 2015 UKIP vote?
These are the areas where elections are won and lost not Maidenhead or Islington.
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