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Post by captainconfident on Nov 28, 2023 1:11:07 GMT
Pure democracy, in the form of live voting on each issue using the Internet, would be prone to misinformation and manipulation and the acceptance of fleeting majorities that are quickly regretted. Such as vote on hanging being swung by a particularly heinous murder. What has to be best is the considered opinion of representatives chosen by a majority of the population. PR in other words. But that is an argument for a meritocracy. A country governed in a similar way to a successful company. Competent people are promoted, incompetent ones are fired. No votes. Like China - at least they make no pretence of democracy. If you don't trust your fellow idiots to make good choices then surely you are saying you don't want democracy at all ? Or you trust them to pick someone you might trust to make decisions but if they can't make decisions themselves how can they be trusted to pick someone who is ? Or is that where the Beeb comes in.....  Well I imagine China has well funded local and regional governments, which would be a plus. But stuffed with time serving brown nosers like the last company I worked for. Problem in both is that no one was getting fired . As far as trusting my fellow idiots, if I was on Who Wants To be A Millionaire, I would keep Ask The Audience until last. The wisdom of crowds is far more likely to gave the answer you don't know than phone a friend. Oh, 50:50. Well OK!
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Post by adrianc on Nov 28, 2023 9:22:14 GMT
As far as trusting my fellow idiots, if I was on Who Wants To be A Millionaire, I would keep Ask The Audience until last. The wisdom of crowds is far more likely to gave the answer you don't know than phone a friend. Oh, 50:50. Well OK! I'd be saving it for a question that I had no idea about, but the hoi polloi would nail. TV, football, that sort of thing.
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Post by registerme on Nov 28, 2023 9:26:12 GMT
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Post by benaj on Nov 28, 2023 9:31:54 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Nov 28, 2023 11:09:21 GMT
This looks more like Trump's fake electors scheme than a government. The wisdom of crowds is a powerful tool. In the WWTBAM context, if you have a question that only a handful in a hundred would know, with the others guessing randomly, you should see the correct answer having slightly more votes than the wrong ones. Francis Galton in 1907. Galton pointed out that the average of all the entries in a ‘guess the weight of the ox’ competition at a country fair was amazingly accurate – beating not only most of the individual guesses but also those of alleged cattle experts. This is the essence of the wisdom of crowds: their average judgement converges on the right solution.So in the context of a General Election, you should see the wisdom of the crowd picking the best government. But in the British system, this wisdom is thrown away. At the 2019 Boris landslide, 56% voted for a centre left government, and Get Brexit Done lost with 44%.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 28, 2023 16:15:42 GMT
But that is an argument for a meritocracy. A country governed in a similar way to a successful company. Competent people are promoted, incompetent ones are fired. No votes. Like China - at least they make no pretence of democracy. If you don't trust your fellow idiots to make good choices then surely you are saying you don't want democracy at all ? Or you trust them to pick someone you might trust to make decisions but if they can't make decisions themselves how can they be trusted to pick someone who is ? Or is that where the Beeb comes in..... Well I imagine China has well funded local and regional governments, which would be a plus. But stuffed with time serving brown nosers like the last company I worked for. Problem in both is that no one was getting fired . As far as trusting my fellow idiots, if I was on Who Wants To be A Millionaire, I would keep Ask The Audience until last. The wisdom of crowds is far more likely to gave the answer you don't know than phone a friend. Oh, 50:50. Well OK! Indeed so why not trust them on parliament vote?
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Post by captainconfident on Nov 28, 2023 18:08:16 GMT
Well I imagine China has well funded local and regional governments, which would be a plus. But stuffed with time serving brown nosers like the last company I worked for. Problem in both is that no one was getting fired . As far as trusting my fellow idiots, if I was on Who Wants To be A Millionaire, I would keep Ask The Audience until last. The wisdom of crowds is far more likely to gave the answer you don't know than phone a friend. Oh, 50:50. Well OK! Indeed so why not trust them on parliament vote? So get an AI program to propose various directions for the country and the policies taxes and spending to follow a direction towards an outcome, and let the public vote whenever there are choices along the way, is that an idea? Better than the system we have, policy continuity, no need for elections!
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