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Post by bernythedolt on Jan 17, 2024 19:02:35 GMT
Do you think the sheer animalistic savagery of the atrocity committed on 7th October was in any way proportionate or justifiable? No, I don't, nor did I say it was. Please don't change the subject like that. Not changing the subject - degree of response was precisely what you were discussing: p2pindependentforum.com/post/486932Or does degree of response only apply to one side? Yes, 24,000 Gazan dead is a terrible toll, a loss which would have been knowingly and sickeningly factored in by Hamas before they attacked. Greater brains than I have debated this ad nauseam, though, so I have nothing worthwhile to add.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jan 17, 2024 20:04:43 GMT
So we are in violent agreement on one thing: Hamas doesn't give a t*** about the lives of normal Palestinians in Gaza, and was and is very happy to put them on a sacrificial altar to serve its greater god-given objective of the elimination of the State of Israel. From what I understand central to the Hamas ideology is the concept of Martyrdom which makes trying to understand how they might perceive the civilian casualties complex. I have personally met a few Palestinians and although I would be lying if I said I got the impression they were Pro-Israeli, I cannot imagine any of them wanting to be a Martyr in an all out war with Israel either. The view that some people seem to have that all Palestinians are indistinguishable from Hamas is totally false in my experience.
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Post by benaj on Jan 18, 2024 7:38:55 GMT
It seems two neighbor countries in Asia have started attacked each other.
So, how far and how fast would these attacks spread?
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 18, 2024 7:54:31 GMT
It seems two neighbor countries in Asia have started attacked each other. So, how far and how fast would these attacks spread? We are undoubtedly in dangerous times. We need to well and truly hope that Israel-Gaza doesn't 'spill over' into a wider conflict, meaning also hoping that Iran in particular doesn't look to take advantage of the general turmoil. We need to hope that Iran-Pakistan spat is quickly contained by the parties: I would be confident it will be, if for no other reason than Pakistan has nuclear weapons and Iran doesn't, yet. Iran in this case is to some degree reacting to internal demand for action following the ISIS bombings and so good chance it has thrown its punches and will back off. We have to hope that Russia is contained viz a viz Ukraine, and wildly hope that Putin somehow loses power. If they are not, then the concerns that Putin will rebuild and look to push-on further to say Latvia don't seem so outlandish. And it would be good if Serbia / Kosovo would die down. And we then need to really hope that general turmoil causing the US and the west looking in multiple directions doesn't embolden Xi to decide the time is ripe to make a move on Taiwan. Happy New Year.
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Post by michaelc on Jan 18, 2024 13:42:45 GMT
We have to hope that war mongering Biden gets booted out this year.
We have to hope that Trump gets elected, tells Israel to pipe down a bit and knocks Russia/Ukraine heads together too.
We have to hope that Sunak gets kicked out and we have to hope that Labour won't be quite so war gung ho as the Tories have been.
Finally, we have to hope China remains a positive force for diplomacy and peace and makes no move on Taiwan.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 18, 2024 14:06:50 GMT
We have to hope that Trump gets elected Anybody sane has to hope the exact opposite.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jan 18, 2024 14:23:12 GMT
We have to hope that war mongering Biden gets booted out this year. We have to hope that Trump gets elected, tells Israel to pipe down a bit and knocks Russia/Ukraine heads together too. We have to hope that Sunak gets kicked out and we have to hope that Labour won't be quite so war gung ho as the Tories have been. Finally, we have to hope China remains a positive force for diplomacy and peace and makes no move on Taiwan. Although I am not a natural labour supporter I will probably vote for them over the insane war mongering of the Tories. I am more concerned about being turned into radio active dust than I am about taxation. As for Trump being elected although I can understand why some people do not like him - he is basically an egomaniac, he is a lot better for the US than the kleptocratic warmongers who dominate the US political scene and do not seem to give a fcuk about anything other than lining their own pockets with blood money. Although I would not be at all surprised if he did not end up like the last president who went head to head with the US deep state...
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Post by daveb on Jan 18, 2024 18:12:02 GMT
Does Trump's record suggest he will "tell Israel to pipe down?" Recognising Jerusalem as capital of Israel and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem make me doubt that.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 18, 2024 18:58:09 GMT
...and, of course, let's not forget that Trump is Putin's useful idiot - in exactly the same way that Johnson was.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jan 18, 2024 19:02:58 GMT
Does Trump's record suggest he will "tell Israel to pipe down?" Recognising Jerusalem as capital of Israel and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem make me doubt that.
I think Trump actually said he thought he should be President of Israel at some point. Although imagine you are the Israeli government, if you have an unpredictable egomaniac like Trump asking you to do something you are going to think twice about ignoring him. The genius of Trump is he is unpredictable and while being rational at the same time. In some ways he is like a cross between Kim-Jong Un and Putin.
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Post by captainconfident on Jan 18, 2024 21:15:35 GMT
...and, of course, let's not forget that Trump is Putin's useful idiot - in exactly the same way that Johnson was. Hey, I'm not sure that's true wrt Johnson. He is many things, but he was a good friend to Ukraine when friends were most needed. and also, "War mongering Biden", I wish he would monger more war than he has been. Not in the middle east, but here in Europe. And Trump wouldn't know the name or whereabouts of any Baltic State so he wouldn't have any problem handing them to Putin. Yeah sorry Moldova, you too. But Trump lost to Biden last time and no sign he picked up any new voters since and part of his old constituency died of taking his Corona advice.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 20, 2024 12:44:12 GMT
Four senior members of Iran's security forces have been killed in a suspected air strike on the Syrian capital.
Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard blamed Israel for the attack, which it said killed four military advisers as well as a number of Syrian forces.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 20, 2024 12:54:07 GMT
Four senior members of Iran's security forces have been killed in a suspected air strike on the Syrian capital.
Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard blamed Israel for the attack, which it said killed four military advisers as well as a number of Syrian forces.
Nothing new, unfortunately... From that article: "Israel has not commented. For years it has carried out strikes on Iranian-linked targets in Syria....Last month a suspected Israeli air strike just outside Damascus killed a senior IRGC commander."Also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_conflict_during_the_Syrian_civil_war
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Post by agent69 on Jan 26, 2024 13:15:45 GMT
I see the ICJ has given its decision on the 9 emergency measures sought by South Africa in relation to the war in Gaza. While the ICJ appears to have supported many of the measures, the court did not agree to South Africa’s request for an immediate ceasefire.
Something of a pyrrhic victory?
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Post by michaelc on Jan 28, 2024 21:22:37 GMT
If we take military action off the table, has anybody got any actual suggestions as to what to do about the Houthis shooting at / hijacking international shipping? That sounds like you agree with the UK lobbing a few missiles into Yemen? So far that's ended up with a UK connected tanker getting hit. And now the US president is talking about "Iran backed militia" in Syria etc responsible for knocking out 3 troops. Interesting choice of words there which I never heard before in the Syrian and Iraq wars. The war mongerer "Mr nice guy" Biden is clearly paving the way for an invasion of Iran - at least keeping his options open.
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