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Post by savingstream on Mar 3, 2016 17:46:10 GMT
Dear All,
Everyone now has a default limit to what they can buy on the secondary market unless they specifically request a higher one. Namely, it is a combination of cash on account plus your existing holdings i.e :
£200,000 cash, no loan parts yet, you can buy £200,000 worth of loan parts. £200,000 loan parts, no cash, you can buy £200,000 worth of loan parts. £200,000 cash, £200,000 loan parts, you can buy £400,000 worth of loan parts.
EVERYONE has a £10,000 INPL (we like that acronym) limit per pre-fund loan including new investors.
Misuse of our generous system will result in restrictions and limitations.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Mar 3, 2016 17:51:35 GMT
EVERYONE has a £10,000 INPL (we like that acronym) limit per pre-fund loan including new investors. One assumes you mean 'at least', rather than everyone being limited to £10k?!
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 3, 2016 17:53:55 GMT
I think "Misuse of our generous system will result in restrictions and limitations" is my favourite part of your post . Everything else is just a bonus Thanks savingstream
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Post by sam i am on Mar 3, 2016 18:05:22 GMT
savingstream , thanks for your post. I have a couple of questions for clarification. Is there a (low) SM limit which everyone (including new investors) can use? The way the rules are currently framed, it means that new investors must deposit cash before they can purchase on the SM since they don't have any existing holdings. It's obviously not an issue for me as a seasoned investor but just wondered if this is what you intended. I read the pre-funding limit to mean that no one can bid more than £10,000 on any loan (although the pipeline page doesn't seem to reflect this yet). I suspect this will mean that some of the larger loans will not fill from pre-funding even though there is money out to invest in them (since the BHs will be restricted). So in this case any part of the loan which hasn't filled will then just be placed on the SM to continue filling there (at which point a BH may grab it all in one hit assuming that they don't breach the SM limit). Again, is this what is intended? Edit: I note the earlier post from GSV3MIaC which would answer the second point if this is the case.
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Post by webwiz on Mar 3, 2016 18:41:45 GMT
The INPL limit of £10k does not restrict in any way the maximum you can prefund, it only restricts the INPL amount (even better if it was zero IMO).
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Post by meledor on Mar 3, 2016 19:24:46 GMT
It is good that Saving Stream remain committed to INPL, which is a feature that distinguishes them from other platforms. I think the limits are fair -everyone gets £10k with the maximum being existing holdings plus cash.
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 3, 2016 19:25:42 GMT
The INPL limit of £10k does not restrict in any way the maximum you can prefund, it only restricts the INPL amount (even better if it was zero IMO). If SS have set the PF dropdowns to 10k then thats the max you can prefund, wont matter if you have cash on the platform if the system doesnt take it into account. Has anyone actually checked their prefunding drop downs to see whether they go higher than 10k and if so is it still based on portfolio + cash balance as before?
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Post by grahamg on Mar 3, 2016 19:29:02 GMT
The INPL limit of £10k does not restrict in any way the maximum you can prefund, it only restricts the INPL amount (even better if it was zero IMO). If SS have set the PF dropdowns to 10k then thats the max you can prefund, wont matter if you have cash on the platform if the system doesnt take it into account. Has anyone actually checked their prefunding drop downs to see whether they go higher than 10k and if so is it still based on portfolio + cash balance as before? Yes I can't go beyond 10K
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Post by webwiz on Mar 3, 2016 19:29:15 GMT
ISTM that you guys are not reading the OP. There is no new limit on prefunding, only on the negative balance. Yes, my drop down pre-fund goes way beyond £10K. Its my total holding rounded down to nearest £5K. I don't have any cash in the balance.
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Post by boble on Mar 3, 2016 20:58:36 GMT
It looks to me that what ever an individuals pretending limit may be, it applies to each loan. However, that may simply be because the aggregate of my individual prefunding bids doesn't total the limit in my drop down list. I will test this.
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Post by boble on Mar 3, 2016 21:01:11 GMT
It looks to me that what ever an individuals PREFUNDING limit may be, it applies to each loan. However, that may simply be because the aggregate of my individual prefunding bids doesn't total the limit in my drop down list. I will test this
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Post by sam i am on Mar 3, 2016 21:14:13 GMT
The INPL limit of £10k does not restrict in any way the maximum you can prefund, it only restricts the INPL amount (even better if it was zero IMO). So I guess this means that the maximum you can obtain from pre-funding after the allocation is £10,000 plus cash holdings (zero in my case). If a high pre-fund amount would theoretically result in a larger holding, does that mean my allocation is restricted to £10,000? If I follow this logic through, does this mean that I can safely pre-fund all loans with my maximum allowable amount (which is significantly above £10,000) to game the system, safe in the knowledge that I will never be called on to stump up more than £10,000? I presume I've misinterpreted something here because that really doesn't seem right.
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Post by webwiz on Mar 3, 2016 21:45:17 GMT
It's really quite simple ISTM. The £10K is just the maximum amount of free credit that you can get. If you want to prefund more than £10K you have to deposit cash for the difference. SS have not said what would happen if they released two loans at the same time nor exactly how and when the £10K limit will be applied. I imagine it might simply substitute the cash + £10K figure for the actual pre-fund if that is bigger when it is put into the allocation process. But it could be more severe and simply reject pre-funds which are over the limit. Or they might try to apply the limit at entry time and maintain it, but that seems very complicated.
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Post by meledor on Mar 3, 2016 22:01:03 GMT
In the OP the limit is for the SM only. The interaction with prefunding which is for the PM is that if after the launch of a loan where you have a prefund allocation (and a negative balance to clear) then buying on the SM will only be possible upto your credit limit.
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Post by sam i am on Mar 3, 2016 22:06:26 GMT
It's really quite simple ISTM. The £10K is just the maximum amount of free credit that you can get. If you want to prefund more than £10K you have to deposit cash for the difference. SS have not said what would happen if they released two loans at the same time nor exactly how and when the £10K limit will be applied. I imagine it might simply substitute the cash + £10K figure for the actual pre-fund if that is bigger when it is put into the allocation process. But it could be more severe and simply reject pre-funds which are over the limit. Or they might try to apply the limit at entry time and maintain it, but that seems very complicated. webwiz , I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this. Clearly SS are not limiting the amount of pre-fund that can be requested because I can still enter a large number (unless this is functionality that they are yet to implement). So what happens in the case where I apply for £100,000 (with no cash in my account) and the loan (assume over £1m) is four times over-subscribed? Do they say I get 25% of £100,000 = £25,000 - but my credit limit is £10,000 so I'm restricted to this? (I gamed the system) Or do they say I should only be applying for £10,000 so I get 25% of this = £2,500? (But SS hasn't let me use my full credit limit) Or do they do something else? Or does SS really mean that everyone has at least a £10,000 INPL for pre-funding as suggested by GSV3MIaC ?
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