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Post by keitha on Jun 18, 2021 15:04:42 GMT
I attended a public viewing of plans for a windfarm proposed for near me, One Chap asked about the potential noise and was told wind turbines are virtually silent,he then asked about the impact on the visual landscape as these are proposed to be 180 Meters tall, and was told there may be some impact including on the value of property "but it is worth it for the country as a whole".
We are also informed that should the local council object that the Welsh Government may overrule that, so democracy at it's best.
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Post by ozboy on Jun 18, 2021 16:02:04 GMT
I attended a public viewing of plans for a windfarm proposed for near me, One Chap asked about the potential noise and was told wind turbines are virtually silent,he then asked about the impact on the visual landscape as these are proposed to be 180 Meters tall, and was told there may be some impact including on the value of property "but it is worth it for the country as a whole". We are also informed that should the local council object that the Welsh Government may overrule that, so democracy at it's best.
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Post by keitha on Jun 18, 2021 16:44:53 GMT
I attended a public viewing of plans for a windfarm proposed for near me, One Chap asked about the potential noise and was told wind turbines are virtually silent,he then asked about the impact on the visual landscape as these are proposed to be 180 Meters tall, and was told there may be some impact including on the value of property "but it is worth it for the country as a whole". We are also informed that should the local council object that the Welsh Government may overrule that, so democracy at it's best. Funnily enough I had difficulty not laughing. Part of the area proposed suffered a land slip last autumn,when asked about it they said "we will bring in a machine that will thump the ground to ensure it is compressed and can't move", now i'm not a civil engineer but my view is surely bashing is likely to cause it to move at that point in time, but of course it will also be done in silence
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Post by agent69 on Jun 18, 2021 16:57:04 GMT
Funnily enough I had difficulty not laughing. Part of the area proposed suffered a land slip last autumn,when asked about it they said " we will bring in a machine that will thump the ground to ensure it is compressed and can't move", now i'm not a civil engineer but my view is surely bashing is likely to cause it to move at that point in time, but of course it will also be done in silence Dynamic compaction is a perfectly legitimate form of ground improvement, involving repeatedly dropping large weights from height. Obviously, there is a limit to the depth of soil that can be treated, and there needs to be something solid at depth for the technique to work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 8:16:47 GMT
The locals are like frogs in slowly warming water which will eventually boil. Get with the program and do your share.
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Post by keitha on Jun 20, 2021 9:55:29 GMT
The locals are like frogs in slowly warming water which will eventually boil. Get with the program and do your share. I have no problem doing my share. Nor do others, but we rural or semi rural folks do have an issue with be trampled on. I can accept that some areas are more suitable for wind farms than others. But I think there should be a limit as to how much renewable energy is generated in each area limited to say 200% of that areas needs. Why should economically poor areas like Blaenau Gwent be blighted so the wealthy NIMBYs in Chesham, Cardiff and central London can charge their EVs and say how great it is that they can use renewable energy. Around here a TESLA costs over 2 years wages for the average person, The Public transport is dire, so people still need their own transport. The average household income here after tax is less than £2000 a month, Council tax is £120, Gas and electric £120, rent £500 people might be able to scrape together £2000 to buy a second hand car, but they can't afford electric vehicles, nor can they afford £15000 for a heat pump. We don't have off road parking to charge our EV
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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2021 10:08:46 GMT
Around here a TESLA costs over 2 years wages for the average person, The Public transport is dire, so people still need their own transport. Tesla aren't the only manufacturer of EVs. New EVs can be leased from under £200/mo. Used Leafs and Zoes start around £4k now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 10:13:16 GMT
I have to admit I completely disagree with you. In the same way that throughout history those areas that are best suited to provide certain things end up providing those things. You don't dig coal mines where there is no coal nor do you say, let's only bring up enough coal for twice our village's needs as we don't have battery powered cars in our village. That is crazy and would only work if we had infinite planets.
What I think is a more positive thing is to make sure the locals benefit from the money made. In the same way as the Orkney council made sure that their islands have some of the best facilities in Scotland thanks to them acting as a gateway to oil exploration, or the ways that Danish councils buy and take income from their turbines these councils should be getting their pound of flesh from these facilities.
We, the humans, cannot afford all this FF energy. Nor can we afford to keep using all this energy where ever it comes from.
You too can benefit from these changes I recommend (not advice) TRIG, ITM, NEE etc
Climate Change is not something happening elsewhere, it is happening here and now and "boiled frog" is no longer acceptable.
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Post by keitha on Jun 20, 2021 10:37:10 GMT
@bobo
I'm possibly the greenest person in my area, my electricity cost since the end of February is £-60 after allowing for standing charges. I have great insulation in my roof, I use about 12,000 KWH of gas a year.
But based on the plans the nearest turbine may only be 1/2 a mile away.
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Post by keitha on Jun 20, 2021 10:43:48 GMT
What I think is a more positive thing is to make sure the locals benefit from the money made. In the same way as the Orkney council made sure that their islands have some of the best facilities in Scotland thanks to them acting as a gateway to oil exploration, or the ways that Danish councils buy and take income from their turbines these councils should be getting their pound of flesh from these facilities.
We, the humans, cannot afford all this FF energy. Nor can we afford to keep using all this energy where ever it comes from.
You too can benefit from these changes I recommend (not advice) TRIG, ITM, NEE etc
Climate Change is not something happening elsewhere, it is happening here and now and "boiled frog" is no longer acceptable.
reducing overall consumption would be good, my old electric meter did that very nicely, It was rare I managed to use 5KWH per day, even If I did 3 loads of washing, the dishwasher and used the electric shower. Yes something to benefit the locals would be good, but  don't give money to the local council it will get spent on a vanity project, not something to benefit us all. to reiterate though I get miffed at being taken for granted. The Welsh Government want a Metro type system that will run in Cardiff and Newport with a line out to EBBW vale using the existing rail links. It all sounds good, but the WG is fully funding the bits in Cardiff and Newport. However the area through Blaenau Gwent, it's loaned the local council £70 million to do it, that will increase our council tax by 10% for the next 30 years !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 11:04:21 GMT
Great and well done with your energy consumption. I'll check with my energy manager to see what we use in comparison.
Figures just in, two people in large three up two down free standing house with massive external insulation and massive roof insulation. At home for 12 months (thanks Covid)
We consumed 8180 kWh of gas We bought 1585kWh of electricity and we generated 3300kWh of electricity
So total usage of energy 13,000 kWh (tiny car usage), UK average is more like 18,000 kWh a year
Just out of interest is half a mile a bad problem? They could plant trees to obscure the view, could they invest in the development to off-set some of the loss of asset? The "off street parking" argument is just an obscuring of the opportunity, change is tough and I appreciate the problems of change in a free-cash restricted environment. Probably time to start working out what to do as a village/community to go with the flow.
Well the Orkneys decided that they would have the best hospitals in Scotland, they would subsidise the ferries for locals only (special rates etc), they would introduce hydrogen heating to all the council buildings in parallel with methane heating and then develop a hydrogen production facility at their world beating marine energy generating centre with an off-shoot of a University. Nothing they did was vanity and they worked very hard at transparency knowing that the oil flow was only ever going to be short term they wanted to be in on the next big thing.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 20, 2021 12:04:06 GMT
Around here a TESLA costs over 2 years wages for the average person, The Public transport is dire, so people still need their own transport. Tesla aren't the only manufacturer of EVs. New EVs can be leased from under £200/mo. Used Leafs and Zoes start around £4k now. Have a look on google streetview at the areas in south wales keitha highlighted. Do you really think people living there have leasing EVs for £200/month high on their priority list ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 12:31:58 GMT
This article is interesting looking at privatly owned battery driven cars from data 2021
"Four of the top 10 local authority areas with the greatest number of privately licensed BEVs are in London, with Barnet having the most (1,235 vehicles). Wiltshire has the second highest number (1,075 vehicles), followed by Westminster (919 vehicles), Cornwall (899 vehicles) and Camden (781 vehicles). Conversely, the smallest numbers of privately run BEVs, aside from those on some island communities and the square mile that is the City of London, are to be found in South Wales – in Merthyr Tydfil (21 vehicles) and Blaenau Gwent (27 vehicles)."
Blaenau Gwent has also some of the lowest numbers of charging points 4x2 is all they have
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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2021 12:57:11 GMT
Tesla aren't the only manufacturer of EVs. New EVs can be leased from under £200/mo. Used Leafs and Zoes start around £4k now. Have a look on google streetview at the areas in south wales keitha highlighted. Do you really think people living there have leasing EVs for £200/month high on their priority list ? Random streetview drop in BG (a residential street of terraces in Abertillery), and I'm seeing plenty of £4k+ used cars, and plenty of newish ones...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 16:23:13 GMT
You get a very strange problem with low population density poor areas in the UK. I've studied it in Cornwall and I assume it is just the same in Wales. Once the day to day demand for public transport beings to drop off as the out-of-work/retired stop traveling there is a sort of viscious spiral. The retired travel for free so they no longer drive income to the bus company and so the buses stop coming so frequently. Then workers have to buy cheap cars just to get to work and some can even afford slightly better cars but that takes more people off the buses. That makes the cash flow for the bus companies worse etc etc.
The result is a bunch of areas where there is no public transport, people are basically poor and have to support a cheaper car and their work hangs on the life line of the car working.
The result is actually relatively high car-ownership. Within the EU it meant that Cornwall looked very prosperous despite it having some pretty nasty cheap places to live and the EU tried not to subsidise wealthy places with high car-ownership.
The upside of a battery car, once the prices reach the right level for this market is that they are cheaper to maintain and more reliable than FFuel cars, but that might take a generation to learn.
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don't give money to the local council it will get spent on a vanity project, not something to benefit us all.