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Post by adrianc on Jun 20, 2021 16:59:57 GMT
Anyway, I assume this thread relates to... www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/new-wind-farm-blaenau-gwent-20758059Eight turbines. That's it. Eight. On ground currently used for grazing - that can continue, so no change there. £3.5m has already been put into the local communities through the same operator's six similar projects elsewhere in South Wales. This is what a similar-capacity modern gas power station looks like...
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2021 8:52:03 GMT
But I think there should be a limit as to how much renewable energy is generated in each area limited to say 200% of that areas needs. And, going back to this bit... The proposed farm is 48MW, "24,000 homes". Are there fewer than 12,000 homes in the area? No. There's 30,000 households in Blaenau Gwent alone. So those 8 turbines don't even meet the local need, let alone fall foul of that 200% test. But, of course, you're more than welcome to have that gas generation instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 9:01:46 GMT
Though even then the gas generation units are just filling in at peak demand, which is why Drax just sold off their 4 units as they struggled to make a living off them. Basically any fossil fuel without some sort of green credentials is going to be a lost asset.
Any other figures on how much energy people are using annually?
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2021 9:14:27 GMT
Though even then the gas generation units are just filling in at peak demand, which is why Drax just sold off their 4 units as they struggled to make a living off them. Basically any fossil fuel without some sort of green credentials is going to be a lost asset.
Any other figures on how much energy people are using annually?
I presume you're familiar with Gridwatch? gridwatch.co.uk/Average total national demand is a tidge under 30GW, peaking around low 30s. Wind is currently about 16% of that, slightly more than nuclear, about the same as the international interconnects are currently supplying. Gas is still the bulk - just under 40%, about the same as the total of carbon-neutral. Nuclear is counted towards carbon-neutral, but obvs not towards renewables. Biomass is renewable, but not carbon-neutral. Wind, hydro, solar are both. Of course, keitha probably fondly remembers the days when his area was responsible for producing FAR more than 200% of the region's energy supply... (Coal is down to about 1% now. Thankfully.) This gives a bunch of breakdowns as to the average household's electricity use... www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/how-much-electricity-does-a-home-use.html
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 9:27:53 GMT
Yep to all
I was really more interested in how many of our readers know their own energy usage.
I agree we are still using a lot of gas but that is going to fall away drastically in the years ahead as the dash-from-gas accelerates
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 21, 2021 10:18:14 GMT
Tesla aren't the only manufacturer of EVs. New EVs can be leased from under £200/mo. Used Leafs and Zoes start around £4k now. Have a look on google streetview at the areas in south wales keitha highlighted. Do you really think people living there have leasing EVs for £200/month high on their priority list ? We live in a rural area and did buy a 4k electric car - a 2013 Renault Kangoo ex- French Post office. The range of these first generation cars is a poxy 60 miles at best. But our average trip is about 10 miles and accounts for 99.9 % of journeys, so I sold the petrol car. When we want to go long distance, it's a matter of booking one of the three cars locally that are offered by the owners in a car sharing scheme, the tiny Citroen, the Renault Magane or the big Volvo. I've been to Holland in the Citroen, Germany in the Megane and moved an art deco door I bought in the Volvo. That's a simple phone-app scheme and the owners are all nice. The electric Kangoo is guilt free fantastic to drive and costs nothing in maintenance. Solar panels take car of charging.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2021 10:38:57 GMT
I was really more interested in how many of our readers know their own energy usage. Ah, gotcha. I keep a spreadsheet of elec meter readings. <wanders off to update> 6,500 kWh/year. Winter use can be 30+kWh/day averaged, summer 7.5 or less. I suspect that's dragged WAY up mostly by heating the studio building outside - basically well insulated, let down massively by single-skinned skylights. Through the winter, there's a pair of small background (400w) heaters in there to keep it frost-free, but when herself's working in there she puts larger heaters on... There is a woodburner, but... <rolls eyes>
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 11:00:37 GMT
yep the wood burner is a pain, but someone has to burn the wood the Mens Sheds people scatter through the Maker Space and my own trees just shedding branches.
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Post by keitha on Jun 21, 2021 11:01:46 GMT
adriancActually only been here 4 years or so so still an outsider. Total energy usage for 2020 9500KWH of gas, 920KWH of electric, electricity export 2000KWH, average daily use of electricity about 6.5KWH
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Post by keitha on Jun 21, 2021 11:06:04 GMT
But I think there should be a limit as to how much renewable energy is generated in each area limited to say 200% of that areas needs. And, going back to this bit... The proposed farm is 48MW, "24,000 homes". Are there fewer than 12,000 homes in the area? No. There's 30,000 households in Blaenau Gwent alone. So those 8 turbines don't even meet the local need, let alone fall foul of that 200% test. But, of course, you're more than welcome to have that gas generation instead. There is already a chunky solar farm covering part of the area, but i wasn't just talking about this farm apparently others are proposed in BG
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Post by travolta on Jun 21, 2021 13:05:52 GMT
I've reached the age of not giving a toss. Mebbe start when container ships run on sails. Quite like windmills but they are a false positive.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2021 17:08:15 GMT
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Post by keitha on Jun 21, 2021 18:39:10 GMT
Well it looks like the French are coming out against EVs www.40millionsdautomobilistes.com/And looking at share prices the shale producers in the US are shooting up The US and Japan have both rejected the G7 proposal on getting rid of Coal powered power stations, China is paying for loads all over the world Until the big nations start to push this then the UK can do very little alone
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2021 19:30:39 GMT
That's not anti-EV, it'as anti-LEZ and anti-car taxes in general. Gilets Jaunes, effectively. Except Le Pen is currently being handed her backside on a plate. Supply's down, demand's going back up after the pandemic, transport is still chaotic... www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-shale-restraint-pushes-oil-prices-multi-year-high-kemp-2021-06-04/But shale prices started to rise last year. www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/shale-gas-stocks-boomed-in-2020-as-oil-got-crushed-2021-outlook-is-positive-61915268No, not quite. All are agreed to stop funding new coal. www.reuters.com/business/environment/g7-agrees-end-new-govt-support-coal-power-by-end-2021-2021-06-13/The US agree coal has to go, but don't want to put a date on the end, because post-Trump mid-America coal-belt... Japan's big issue is that they got terrified of nuclear post-Fukushima. Their use of coal didn't rise much, but they don't have much slack to remove it. China's main issue is rocketing demand, the UK's is falling. So let's do NOTHING!
'course, the newly-standalone UK is pretty much an irrelevance in global terms. yearbook.enerdata.net/electricity/electricity-domestic-consumption-data.htmlTotal global electricity consumption in 2019 - 23,000TWh. Asia - 10,700TWh (and almost all of the year-on-year growth) China - 6,500TWh US - 3,860TWh European continent - 3,350TWh UK - 303TWh Our opinion is predictably unimportant, but that doesn't give us carte blanche to sit around with our thumbs up our chuffs. Not unless we want to totally squander what little influence we have left.
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Post by adrianc on Jun 21, 2021 21:31:10 GMT
Oh, and as far as the US and coal electricity goes... Down to just over 20%. Lower than renewables.
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