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Post by keitha on Jul 27, 2021 12:17:20 GMT
Well now it gets interesting
Received through the post a newsletter, I was reading it and couldn't work out why the proposed wind farm was to the east of me rather than the west !
reading carefully this is a proposed second wind farm.
I wrote to my local councillor suggesting we see the effect of the first before starting another as mitigating potential noise from 2 will be a lot harder than 1. The response was that the Welsh Government have told the local council they will make the decision not the council ! So I've written to my AMs making suggestions
But talking to people locally an awful lot seem to think one farm is being proposed and the site has moved.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 27, 2021 12:50:36 GMT
Well now it gets interesting Received through the post a newsletter, I was reading it and couldn't workout why the proposed wind farm was to the east of me rather than the west ! reading carefully this is a proposed second wind farm. I wrote to my local councillor suggesting we see the effect of the first before starting another as mitigating potential noise from 2 will be a lot harder than 1. The response was that the Welsh Government have told the local council they will make the decision not the council ! So I've written to my AMs making suggestions But talking to people locally an awful lot seem to think one farm is being proposed and the site has moved. This may be a 'cunning plan'. Perhaps it will be all very carefully worked out to ensure that the sound waves from the two different sites are perfectly out of phase thereby cancelling out any noise generated.....
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Post by travolta on Jul 27, 2021 15:37:59 GMT
....and the cost to the environment of making these giants,the engineering involved to altering the roads and access for assembly and the prospect of their complete obsolescence as they break down and decay. The hubris of mankind who is a tiny blip in the planet's existance. Still if it makes some people happy with the warm glow of self worth. Shot another squirrel this a.m. The little f@ckers are hatching out intent on destroying the saplings
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Post by keitha on Jul 27, 2021 15:43:42 GMT
....and the cost to the environment of making these giants,the engineering involved to altering the roads and access for assembly and the prospect of their complete obsolescence as they break down and decay. The hubris of mankind who is a tiny blip in the planet's existance. Still if it makes some people happy with the warm glow of self worth. Shot another squirrel this a.m. The little f@ckers are hatching out intent on destroying the saplings I trust you use a lead free shot ... My significant other has an issue with Squirrels, 2 years ago they ate the sweet corn of the plants, the little sods were cheeky enough to take the corn to the table she has and use that to eat on and leave a mess of nibbled cobs etc last year they didn't wait and ate the plants when they got to about 18 inches tall this year she's given up on sweetcorn and they've attacked her beetroot
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Post by travolta on Jul 27, 2021 20:00:20 GMT
....and the cost to the environment of making these giants,the engineering involved to altering the roads and access for assembly and the prospect of their complete obsolescence as they break down and decay. The hubris of mankind who is a tiny blip in the planet's existance. Still if it makes some people happy with the warm glow of self worth. Shot another squirrel this a.m. The little f@ckers are hatching out intent on destroying the saplings I trust you use a lead free shot ... My significant other has an issue with Squirrels, 2 years ago they ate the sweet corn of the plants, the little sods were cheeky enough to take the corn to the table she has and use that to eat on and leave a mess of nibbled cobs etc last year they didn't wait and ate the plants when they got to about 18 inches tall this year she's given up on sweetcorn and they've attacked her beetroot You can buy squirrel traps, but then what do you do when you catch them? We had a few but gave them away to a good old boy who used to lace them with peanut butter and paracetamol and then.... emptied them into his incinerator.....hmm.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 27, 2021 20:09:29 GMT
....and the cost to the environment of making these giants,the engineering involved to altering the roads and access for assembly and the prospect of their complete obsolescence as they break down and decay. The hubris of mankind who is a tiny blip in the planet's existance. Still if it makes some people happy with the warm glow of self worth. Shot another squirrel this a.m. The little f@ckers are hatching out intent on destroying the saplings I trust you use a lead free shot ... My significant other has an issue with Squirrels, 2 years ago they ate the sweet corn of the plants, the little sods were cheeky enough to take the corn to the table she has and use that to eat on and leave a mess of nibbled cobs etc last year they didn't wait and ate the plants when they got to about 18 inches tall this year she's given up on sweetcorn and they've attacked her beetroot I now use rabbit fencing and overhead netting on the vegetable garden, got totally fed up with rabbits, squirrels, pigeons etc, eating everything. Still have the problem of slugs and snails (this year terrible) caterpillars and all sorts of other small pests, I think mice were eating the beetroot last year! But keeping out the biggest pests means we at least get a share.
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Post by keitha on Jul 27, 2021 21:51:24 GMT
Something and we assume squirrels attacks her strawberries under the netting every year and makes little piles of the fruit
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Post by keitha on Jul 29, 2021 8:48:16 GMT
Just an odd thought this pair of farms will each produce 48MW enough for 24000 homes
Another set of figures to play with does this mean each house uses on average 2000KW a year which is only just over 6KW per day or 250 watts per hour.
Seems like a rather low figure to me.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 29, 2021 8:57:08 GMT
Just an odd thought this pair of farms will each produce 48MW enough for 24000 homes Another set of figures to play with does this mean each house uses on average 2000KW a year which is only just over 6KW per day or 250 watts per hour. Seems like a rather low figure to me. I think you're confusing your watts with your watt-hours, as well as your powers of 10, as well as the actual output with the rated maximum. 48MW (=48,000kW) output sufficing for 24,000 homes means each property consumes 2kW on average. Given there are 24hrs in a day, that would be 48kWh/day. 2,000kWh (=2MWh) per year = 250w average consumption would require the output to be 48,000MWh (=48GWh)/year. Here's an article on a Spanish 24MW wind farm, which produces 92GWh/year... That's an average of 10.5MW output over the year, way within the 24MW rated capacity. renewablesnow.com/news/egpe-breaks-ground-on-24-mw-wind-farm-in-spain-705026/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 11:28:19 GMT
Surely you should look at wildlife eating your fruit as an indication that you are doing a good job. Killing them seems a strange sort of punishment for their indication of your competence.
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Post by keitha on Jul 29, 2021 12:02:02 GMT
Just an odd thought this pair of farms will each produce 48MW enough for 24000 homes Another set of figures to play with does this mean each house uses on average 2000KW a year which is only just over 6KW per day or 250 watts per hour. Seems like a rather low figure to me. I think you're confusing your watts with your watt-hours, as well as your powers of 10, as well as the actual output with the rated maximum. 48MW (=48,000kW) output sufficing for 24,000 homes means each property consumes 2kW on average. Given there are 24hrs in a day, that would be 48kWh/day. 2,000kWh (=2MWh) per year = 250w average consumption would require the output to be 48,000MWh (=48GWh)/year. Here's an article on a Spanish 24MW wind farm, which produces 92GWh/year... That's an average of 10.5MW output over the year, way within the 24MW rated capacity. renewablesnow.com/news/egpe-breaks-ground-on-24-mw-wind-farm-in-spain-705026/ adrianc Don't confuse me further lol The figure they are extrapolating from implies the average property uses 3700kWh per year so your figure of 48kWh a day would be 17,500 kWh per year at current prices £2,500 a year! It's all down to the numbers they use and what they mean does it produce 48 Mega Watts an hour or a year carn-y-cefn.co.uk/proposals/
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 29, 2021 13:11:32 GMT
I think you're confusing your watts with your watt-hours, as well as your powers of 10, as well as the actual output with the rated maximum. 48MW (=48,000kW) output sufficing for 24,000 homes means each property consumes 2kW on average. Given there are 24hrs in a day, that would be 48kWh/day. 2,000kWh (=2MWh) per year = 250w average consumption would require the output to be 48,000MWh (=48GWh)/year. Here's an article on a Spanish 24MW wind farm, which produces 92GWh/year... That's an average of 10.5MW output over the year, way within the 24MW rated capacity. renewablesnow.com/news/egpe-breaks-ground-on-24-mw-wind-farm-in-spain-705026/ adrianc Don't confuse me further lol The figure they are extrapolating from implies the average property uses 3700kWh per year so your figure of 48kWh a day would be 17,500 kWh per year at current prices £2,500 a year! It's all down to the numbers they use and what they mean does it produce 48 Mega Watts an hour or a yearcarn-y-cefn.co.uk/proposals/It's neither, it's continuous. Or, if you prefer, at full tilt it can produce 48 mWh every hour. It could sustain 24000 houses each consuming 2kw continuously (while the wind blows). For perspective, I once enjoyed a fascinating visit to a coal-fired power station where my mate was a senior engineer. That had four steam turbine sets, each generating 500mW - making it a 2000mW station. A fantastically impressive scale to everything I saw. He told me that each turbine's central steel shaft, which from memory was about 2 feet in diameter, when rotating under full load, underwent so much torque that the two ends became twisted 120 degrees out of sync with each other. Such was the immense torsional load, that this truly massive solid steel shaft would twist that far out of shape - just from the power of the steam! As a natural target for terrorist activity, their station would often host covert SAS sessions at the site, where the lads would train to infiltrate if called upon. It was a very different world to my IT job driving a desk!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 13:45:37 GMT
I guess it is too much to ask you to differentiate between m = 1/1000 and M=1,000,000 while MWh per hour is just dragging the whole SI system into the sea?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 29, 2021 23:54:05 GMT
I guess it is too much to ask you to differentiate between m = 1/1000 and M=1,000,000 while MWh per hour is just dragging the whole SI system into the sea? It should be obvious we're not talking milliwatt-hours here, but strictly you're right and I should have used MWh. I don't accept your second point though. The OP's use of kWh and MWh are not SI units to begin with (because an hour is not an SI unit), but remain convenient commercial measurements of energy. The SI unit of energy is of course the Joule, but to use that here would sow confusion. So 48MWh is a valid measure of energy, despite not being expressed in SI units. Same as the mile being a valid measure of distance, but not in SI units. Nobody has a problem with miles per hour, so nobody should find the concept of generating or consuming 48MWh of energy - and doing so continuously every hour - too challenging either.
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Post by keitha on Feb 28, 2023 11:48:33 GMT
And this morning through the letterbox drops a leaflet for a consultation on a proposed 3rd windfarm again within 2 miles of my house
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